Re: GPL "+" question

2015-05-31 Thread Francesco Poli
On Sun, 31 May 2015 13:10:14 -0400 Paul Tagliamonte wrote: [...] > They can do it because the license never changed, it was *just* > distributed under a different set of terms (the GPLv2+ says you can > distribute it as if it were GPLv3+ and everything is tidy -- it does *not* > say you can yell "

Re: GPL "+" question

2015-05-31 Thread Paul Tagliamonte
On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 11:32:57AM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > I think the problem here is the notion that a file necessarily has > exactly one licence. Totally agree. [snip] > So it is true that a downstream redistributor who does not change F > cannot "change the licence", because the only per

Re: GPL "+" question

2015-05-31 Thread Ian Jackson
Paul Tagliamonte writes ("Re: GPL "+" question"): > They *can* since the work as modified *can* be distributed under the > terms of the GPLv3+, *without* changing the original work's license, but > the *file* can be distributed as GPLv3+, since that's the

Re: GPL "+" question

2015-05-30 Thread Riley Baird
> > I'm not sure that you can grant the right of enforcing the license to > > someone else, > I suspect that for legal litigation you may need to represent the > copyright owner. That's what I meant; I probably didn't word it clearly, though. pgp4w78cg1zYD.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: GPL "+" question

2015-05-30 Thread Ángel González
On 31/05/15 00:10, Riley Baird wrote: On Sat, 30 May 2015 23:24:53 +0200 Ángel González wrote: IMHO you would be the one responsible for enforcing the license... Exactly. So, if a work is originally licensed under GPL-2+ and Person A makes a copy and gives it to Person B under GPL-3. Now consi

Re: GPL "+" question

2015-05-30 Thread Riley Baird
On Sat, 30 May 2015 23:24:53 +0200 Ángel González wrote: > On 30/05/15 03:30, Riley Baird wrote: > Only the copyright holder can change what a *work* is licensed as. > >> Unless the copyright holder grants the permission to do so, I would > >> say... > > Let's say I hold copyright on a work,

Re: GPL "+" question

2015-05-30 Thread Ángel González
On 30/05/15 03:30, Riley Baird wrote: Only the copyright holder can change what a *work* is licensed as. Unless the copyright holder grants the permission to do so, I would say... Let's say I hold copyright on a work, and I grant someone else permission to change the license of a work. Who woul

Re: GPL "+" question

2015-05-30 Thread Ole Streicher
Charles Plessy writes: > If it were me, I would give the benefit of the doubt to the upstream > author of missfits, and trust him that if he added a GPLv3+ header, it > is because he modified the files, as he says in the README. When I adopted the first package from this author (sextractor), I as

Re: GPL "+" question

2015-05-29 Thread Riley Baird
> > > Only the copyright holder can change what a *work* is licensed as. > > Unless the copyright holder grants the permission to do so, I would > say... Let's say I hold copyright on a work, and I grant someone else permission to change the license of a work. Who would enforce the second license

Re: GPL "+" question

2015-05-29 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Fri, May 29, 2015 at 09:32:12AM +0200, Ole Streicher a écrit : > > I just had a discussion with an ftp-master who rejected one of my > packages. The package in question is "missfits". It contains a > directory, src/wcs/ with files that were originally released by Mark > Calabretta under LGPL-2+

Re: GPL "+" question

2015-05-29 Thread Francesco Poli
On Fri, 29 May 2015 14:50:39 +0200 Ole Streicher wrote: > Paul Tagliamonte writes: [...] > > Only the copyright holder can change what a *work* is licensed as. Unless the copyright holder grants the permission to do so, I would say... [...] > > If the original license allows, then anyone can r

Re: GPL "+" question

2015-05-29 Thread Simon McVittie
On 29/05/15 16:30, Ole Streicher wrote: > Miriam Ruiz writes: >> So in my opinion, if you modify a code which was released under GPL2+ >> and you license your modifications as GPL3+, the resulting work has to >> also be GPL, and the terms or conditions that apply are those of the >> version 3 of t

Re: GPL "+" question

2015-05-29 Thread Paul R. Tagliamonte
> Or a CLA. Or breaking copyright law. Or modified the work and distribute > it under a superset of the old terms. Or or or :) For the record; I don't believe Apple is breaking copyright law, and I didn't mean to imply that :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-legal-requ...@lists.debian.org wi

Re: GPL "+" question

2015-05-29 Thread Paul Tagliamonte
On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 05:43:21PM +0200, Ole Streicher wrote: > Paul Tagliamonte writes: > > I don't know any jurisdiction where I can take a work of yours and now > > claim I have the rights to it under a different license. > > Apple did, as I have shown. I think they have good lawyers. Or a C

Re: GPL "+" question

2015-05-29 Thread Ole Streicher
Paul Tagliamonte writes: > I don't know any jurisdiction where I can take a work of yours and now > claim I have the rights to it under a different license. Apple did, as I have shown. I think they have good lawyers. Best Ole -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-legal-requ...@lists.debian.org

Re: GPL "+" question

2015-05-29 Thread Paul Tagliamonte
Please end this thread, it's getting nuts. Ask the FSF if you're still unclear. Thanks, Paul On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 11:41 AM, Paul Tagliamonte wrote: > On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 05:11:12PM +0200, Ole Streicher wrote: >> Again: please provide a reference for this. The copyright holder has >> sur

Re: GPL "+" question

2015-05-29 Thread Ole Streicher
Miriam Ruiz writes: > So in my opinion, if you modify a code which was released under GPL2+ > and you license your modifications as GPL3+, the resulting work has to > also be GPL, and the terms or conditions that apply are those of the > version 3 of the lincense, or later, but you're not effectiv

Re: GPL "+" question

2015-05-29 Thread Paul Tagliamonte
On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 05:11:12PM +0200, Ole Streicher wrote: > Again: please provide a reference for this. The copyright holder has > surely the initial right to license his work, but I don't see a reason > why he can't transfer this. Via copyright asignment, not licensing, unless the license in

Re: GPL "+" question

2015-05-29 Thread Ole Streicher
Paul Tagliamonte writes: > No, you may redistribute it under different terms, *not* relicense. You may > *use* GPLv2+ as GPLv3+, *BUT* the original work is *STILL* GPLv2+, since > you can't relicense works. Sorry, but I still think "release under the terms of the General Public License v3+" means

Re: GPL "+" question

2015-05-29 Thread Miriam Ruiz
2015-05-29 16:06 GMT+02:00 Ole Streicher : > Paul Tagliamonte writes: >> On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 03:09:34PM +0200, Ole Streicher wrote: >>> Same for me. However: the (L)GPL allows even an unmodified >>> redistribution under a later license. >> This is key -- redistribution. It doesn't change the l

Re: GPL "+" question

2015-05-29 Thread Paul Tagliamonte
On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 04:06:52PM +0200, Ole Streicher wrote: > Paul Tagliamonte writes: > > On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 03:09:34PM +0200, Ole Streicher wrote: > >> Same for me. However: the (L)GPL allows even an unmodified > >> redistribution under a later license. > > This is key -- redistribution.

Re: GPL "+" question

2015-05-29 Thread Ole Streicher
Paul Tagliamonte writes: > On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 03:09:34PM +0200, Ole Streicher wrote: >> Same for me. However: the (L)GPL allows even an unmodified >> redistribution under a later license. > This is key -- redistribution. It doesn't change the license. It does. Just look into the license (res

Re: GPL "+" question

2015-05-29 Thread Ole Streicher
Maximilian writes: > and this seems to imply that the end user can choose which licence > suits them. Not only the end user -- also (in our case) the upstream author. So, he can choose to redistribute the files under GPL-3+. Being them modified or not. > However, if Emmanuel Bertin's code is spe

Re: GPL "+" question

2015-05-29 Thread Paul Tagliamonte
On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 03:09:34PM +0200, Ole Streicher wrote: > Same for me. However: the (L)GPL allows even an unmodified > redistribution under a later license. This is key -- redistribution. It doesn't change the license. If I get this file after you say it's GPLv3, it's still LGPLv2.1+ to me

Re: GPL "+" question

2015-05-29 Thread Ole Streicher
Paul Tagliamonte writes: > On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 10:41:58PM +1000, Riley Baird wrote: >> But there are multiple works being combined into the one file. So some >> parts of the file are GPLv2+ and other parts of the file are GPLv3. The >> file as a whole can only be distributed under GPLv3. >

Re: GPL "+" question

2015-05-29 Thread Maximilian
I'm probably wrong, but the code that was originally GPLv2+ remains licensed under the GPLv2 *in addition* to the GPLv3 that the overall package is licensed under. The GPLv2 states that: 'if the Program specifies a version number of this License which applies to it and "any later version", you

Re: GPL "+" question

2015-05-29 Thread Ole Streicher
Paul Tagliamonte writes: > On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 09:32:12AM +0200, Ole Streicher wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I just had a discussion with an ftp-master who rejected one of my >> packages. The package in question is "missfits". It contains a >> directory, src/wcs/ with files that were originally release

Re: GPL "+" question

2015-05-29 Thread Riley Baird
> > > If I say a file is GPLv2+, it is forever GPLv2+, even if it's combined > > > with a GPLv3 work, in that case the *files* are still GPLv2+, that other > > > file is a GPLv3 work, and the *combined work* is distributed under the > > > terms of the GPLv3, since it satisfies the license of every

Re: GPL "+" question

2015-05-29 Thread Paul R. Tagliamonte
That's literally what I said. d/copyright is for source not binary. On May 29, 2015 8:42 AM, "Riley Baird" < bm-2cvqnduybau5do2dfjtrn7zbaj246s4...@bitmessage.ch> wrote: > > > I just had a discussion with an ftp-master who rejected one of my > > > packages. The package in question is "missfits". I

Re: GPL "+" question

2015-05-29 Thread Paul Tagliamonte
On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 10:41:58PM +1000, Riley Baird wrote: > But there are multiple works being combined into the one file. So some > parts of the file are GPLv2+ and other parts of the file are GPLv3. The > file as a whole can only be distributed under GPLv3. the terminology being thrown around

Re: GPL "+" question

2015-05-29 Thread Riley Baird
> > I just had a discussion with an ftp-master who rejected one of my > > packages. The package in question is "missfits". It contains a > > directory, src/wcs/ with files that were originally released by Mark > > Calabretta under LGPL-2+, but changed by the upstream author (Emmanuel > > Bertin) an

Re: GPL "+" question

2015-05-29 Thread Paul Tagliamonte
On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 09:32:12AM +0200, Ole Streicher wrote: > Hi, > > I just had a discussion with an ftp-master who rejected one of my > packages. The package in question is "missfits". It contains a > directory, src/wcs/ with files that were originally released by Mark > Calabretta under LGPL

Re: GPL "+" question

2015-05-29 Thread Riley Baird
> I just had a discussion with an ftp-master who rejected one of my > packages. The package in question is "missfits". It contains a > directory, src/wcs/ with files that were originally released by Mark > Calabretta under LGPL-2+, but changed by the upstream author (Emmanuel > Bertin) and released

GPL "+" question

2015-05-29 Thread Ole Streicher
Hi, I just had a discussion with an ftp-master who rejected one of my packages. The package in question is "missfits". It contains a directory, src/wcs/ with files that were originally released by Mark Calabretta under LGPL-2+, but changed by the upstream author (Emmanuel Bertin) and released in t

Re: GPL question [Was: Re: cdrtools]

2006-08-11 Thread Daniel Schepler
On Friday 11 August 2006 18:10 pm, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > I believe that the totaly interchangable option of specifying > "-static" or not should not change the free-ness of the source or > resulting binary. So if you link static and you agree that it is a > violation that way then you shoul

Re: Re: openssl vs. GPL question

2005-06-10 Thread Regis Boudin
Hi everyone, >On 6/4/05, Dafydd Harries <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I have a package Alexandria, written in Ruby, which will depend on a >> new library in the next version. This library, ruby-zoom, is an LGPL Ruby >> binding of libyaz. libyaz links to OpenSSL and is, as far as I can tell, >> und

Re: openssl vs. GPL question

2005-06-10 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
Michael K. Edwards wrote: > On 6/6/05, Michael K. Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>Whoops, I misattributed that message. It's Brett Glass who wrote >>that, NOT Theo de Raadt. :-( > > > And after Googling Brett Glass briefly, I doubt he has much concrete > evidence to back up his claim th

Re: openssl vs. GPL question

2005-06-10 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
Michael K. Edwards wrote: > P. S. If you think that an FSF vendetta against OpenSSL would be an > anomaly, or that RMS is purist about copyright law when it comes to > his own conduct, you might be interested in Theo de Raadt's comments > at http://www.monkey.org/openbsd/archive/tech/0002/msg0017

Re: openssl vs. GPL question

2005-06-10 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 6/10/05, Anthony DeRobertis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Michael K. Edwards wrote: > > You might also observe the comments at > > http://bugs.mysql.com/bug.php?id=6924 and > > http://bugs.mysql.com/bug.php?id=8508 regarding MySQL's retreat, first > > from providing OpenSSL-enabled binaries, and

Re: openssl vs. GPL question

2005-06-10 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
Michael K. Edwards wrote: > You might also observe the comments at > http://bugs.mysql.com/bug.php?id=6924 and > http://bugs.mysql.com/bug.php?id=8508 regarding MySQL's retreat, first > from providing OpenSSL-enabled binaries, and then from referencing > OpenSSL in the server source code. Any bets

Re: openssl vs. GPL question

2005-06-06 Thread Gervase Markham
Michael K. Edwards wrote: Do you know whether the NSS implementation is being certified at source code level (a very unusual arrangement) using the sort of maneuvers mentioned in the Linux Journal article on DMLSS? I'm not able to say - it's not my area. If you are interested, news://news.mozi

Re: openssl vs. GPL question

2005-06-06 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 6/6/05, Michael K. Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Whoops, I misattributed that message. It's Brett Glass who wrote > that, NOT Theo de Raadt. :-( And after Googling Brett Glass briefly, I doubt he has much concrete evidence to back up his claim that RMS plagiarized Symbolics code. If h

Re: openssl vs. GPL question

2005-06-06 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 6/6/05, Michael K. Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > P. S. If you think that an FSF vendetta against OpenSSL would be an > anomaly, or that RMS is purist about copyright law when it comes to > his own conduct, you might be interested in Theo de Raadt's comments > at http://www.monkey.org/ope

Re: openssl vs. GPL question

2005-06-06 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 6/6/05, Gervase Markham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The implementation of SSL in the Netscape NSS libraries is available > under the GPL, and I believe certain versions of it have FIPS validation. > http://www.mozilla.org/projects/security/pki/nss/fips/ I'm delighted to hear that. It does not

Re: openssl vs. GPL question

2005-06-06 Thread Gervase Markham
Michael K. Edwards wrote: Pity the MySQL folks; Progress Software were the ones who encouraged them to switch to the GPL in the first place, and when that relationship went bad, they fell right in with the FSF. Switching to YaSSL is going to cost them when it comes to DoD use of MySQL, since som

Re: openssl vs. GPL question

2005-06-06 Thread Michael K. Edwards
And while we're at it, if you're curious what Eben Moglen gets out of his relationship to the FSF, you might like to read http://www.vidomi.com/fsfpop.php . Evidently GPL "violators" retain him as counsel to write them letters saying that their linking-ban circumvention schemes qualify as "mere ag

Re: openssl vs. GPL question

2005-06-06 Thread Michael K. Edwards
You might also observe the comments at http://bugs.mysql.com/bug.php?id=6924 and http://bugs.mysql.com/bug.php?id=8508 regarding MySQL's retreat, first from providing OpenSSL-enabled binaries, and then from referencing OpenSSL in the server source code. Any bets on whether there was a quid pro quo

Re: openssl vs. GPL question

2005-06-06 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 6/6/05, Simon Josefsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Michael K. Edwards" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > And I wouldn't like to see Debian swept up in the apparent FSF > > campaign to marginalize OpenSSL and its maintainers by threatening > > legal action against anyone who links GPL code (F

Re: openssl vs. GPL question

2005-06-06 Thread Simon Josefsson
"Michael K. Edwards" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > And I wouldn't like to see Debian swept up in the apparent FSF > campaign to marginalize OpenSSL and its maintainers by threatening > legal action against anyone who links GPL code (FSF copyrighted or > not) to OpenSSL. (I have not personally bee

Re: openssl vs. GPL question

2005-06-06 Thread Humberto Massa Guimarães
De: Steve Langasek [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > The phrase "For an executable work, complete source code means all > the source code for all modules it contains" appears in the text > of GPL section *3*, which is not specific to "works based on the > Program." Such lack of attention to license deta

Re: openssl vs. GPL question

2005-06-05 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 6/5/05, Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The phrase "For an executable work, complete source code means all the > source code for all modules it contains" appears in the text of GPL section > *3*, which is not specific to "works based on the Program." Such lack of > attention to lice

Re: openssl vs. GPL question

2005-06-05 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Jun 05, 2005 at 08:15:36AM -0700, Michael K. Edwards wrote: > On 6/5/05, Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I have no reason to believe that the GPL's claim depends on the status of > > derivative works; it is a condition of distributing binaries under the GPL > > that the source

Re: openssl vs. GPL question

2005-06-05 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 6/5/05, Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have no reason to believe that the GPL's claim depends on the status of > derivative works; it is a condition of distributing binaries under the GPL > that the source to the work "and any components it contains" must be made > available under

Re: openssl vs. GPL question

2005-06-05 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 6/5/05, Arnoud Engelfriet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Michael K. Edwards wrote: > > since the OpenSSL shim for GNU TLS was added to the GPL (not LGPL) > > libgnutls-extra. (It's possible that it has since been moved into the > > LGPL portion, but I don't think so.) > > The LGPL contains an ex

Re: openssl vs. GPL question

2005-06-05 Thread Steve Langasek
[Cc:ing the original poster, who posted to -mentors -- there's no reason to expect that he's subscribed to -legal] On Sun, Jun 05, 2005 at 11:04:13AM +0200, Måns Rullgård wrote: > > On 6/4/05, Dafydd Harries <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I have a package Alexandria, written in Ruby, which will d

Re: openssl vs. GPL question

2005-06-05 Thread Måns Rullgård
"Michael K. Edwards" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > (copied to debian-legal, where the discussion belongs; next person > please cut debian-mentors) > > On 6/4/05, Dafydd Harries <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I have a package Alexandria, written in Ruby, which will depend on a >> new library in the

Re: openssl vs. GPL question

2005-06-05 Thread Arnoud Engelfriet
Michael K. Edwards wrote: > since the OpenSSL shim for GNU TLS was added to the GPL (not LGPL) > libgnutls-extra. (It's possible that it has since been moved into the > LGPL portion, but I don't think so.) The LGPL contains an explicit provision that allows relicensing to GPL (section 3 LGPL).

Re: openssl vs. GPL question

2005-06-04 Thread Michael K. Edwards
(copied to debian-legal, where the discussion belongs; next person please cut debian-mentors) On 6/4/05, Dafydd Harries <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have a package Alexandria, written in Ruby, which will depend on a > new library in the next version. This library, ruby-zoom, is an LGPL Ruby > bi

Re: A GNU GPL question (might be slightly OT)

2002-09-06 Thread Mark Rafn
On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, Fredrik Persson wrote: > I'm in a situation where I am trying to get the source code for a program > from the company that distributed that program, and this has turned out > to be really difficult. Currently, I'm preparing a reply to their lawyer (I > have no legal training my

Re: A GNU GPL question (might be slightly OT)

2002-09-06 Thread David Turner
On Fri, 2002-09-06 at 11:03, Fredrik Persson wrote: > Is this a loophole in the GPL? If my question above is answered with > "Jim", I think it is. If the answer is "Jill", it most likely is not. > > So... > > What do you all say about this? I say that the answer is "Jim," but that this is not as

Re: A GNU GPL question (might be slightly OT)

2002-09-06 Thread Spencer H Visick
Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho on Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 07:52:06PM +0300 wrote: > The FSF may be a better place. They have a mailing address for > licensing questions but I forget what it was. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Spencer Hal Visick Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www

Re: A GNU GPL question (might be slightly OT)

2002-09-06 Thread Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho
On 20020906T180308+0200, Fredrik Persson wrote: > This may be slightly OT, but I have really looked around for a better place > to ask this question, and failed. The FSF may be a better place. They have a mailing address for licensing questions but I forget what it was. > That is my question. W

A GNU GPL question (might be slightly OT)

2002-09-06 Thread Fredrik Persson
Hello! This may be slightly OT, but I have really looked around for a better place to ask this question, and failed. I'm in a situation where I am trying to get the source code for a program from the company that distributed that program, and this has turned out to be really difficult. Currently

Re: linux gpl question

2002-04-27 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, Apr 26, 2002 at 04:53:24PM -0600, John Galt wrote: > On Thu, 25 Apr 2002, David Starner wrote: > >On Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 09:35:44PM -0600, John Galt wrote: > >> No, he doesn't have to do anything at all with his patches. They aren't > >> the FSF's to define the license for. For ONLY th

Re: linux gpl question

2002-04-27 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
John Galt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Only assuming that you distribute the patched kernel as a unit. It is > entirely feasable to distribute the patches as a separately copyrightable > entity. Nope, it's not. But since you don't listen, it's pointless to keep talking to you. -- To UNS

Re: linux gpl question

2002-04-27 Thread J.H.M. Dassen \(Ray\)
On Sat, Apr 27, 2002 at 13:29:44 +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote: > I can't find the exact details on the web anymore, but I remember that > NeXTStep distributed only the object files It's in "Copyleft: Pragmatic Idealism" by RMS, http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/pragmatic.html "Consider GNU Ob

Re: linux gpl question

2002-04-27 Thread Jeroen Dekkers
On Fri, Apr 26, 2002 at 11:41:11PM -0400, Glenn Maynard wrote: > On Fri, Apr 26, 2002 at 06:40:41PM -0500, David Starner wrote: > > Not by my understanding. A patch will include generally include pieces > > of the kernel source, and only make sense in the context of the kernel. > > That makes it a

Re: linux gpl question

2002-04-27 Thread Anthony Towns
On Fri, Apr 26, 2002 at 11:41:11PM -0400, Glenn Maynard wrote: > On Fri, Apr 26, 2002 at 06:40:41PM -0500, David Starner wrote: > > Not by my understanding. A patch will include generally include pieces > > of the kernel source, and only make sense in the context of the kernel. > > That makes it a

Re: linux gpl question

2002-04-26 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Fri, Apr 26, 2002 at 06:40:41PM -0500, David Starner wrote: > Not by my understanding. A patch will include generally include pieces > of the kernel source, and only make sense in the context of the kernel. > That makes it a derivative work of the kernel. In theory, one could design a patch for

Re: linux gpl question

2002-04-26 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach John Galt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.04.27.0106 +0200]: > >However, his patches are patches *of Linux*, and so if he distributes > >the patched Linux, he is required to distribute the full source, > >because Linux is copyable only under the terms of the GPL and that's > >what the GPL req

Re: linux gpl question

2002-04-26 Thread David Starner
On Fri, Apr 26, 2002 at 04:53:24PM -0600, John Galt wrote: > On Thu, 25 Apr 2002, David Starner wrote: > >A patch to a program is a derivative work of the program, in most cases. > >Hence, you need permission of the copyright owner to distribute it; > >lacking direct permission (rather painful for

Re: linux gpl question

2002-04-26 Thread John Galt
On 25 Apr 2002, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: >John Galt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> No, he doesn't have to do anything at all with his patches. They aren't >> the FSF's to define the license for. For ONLY the work he authored or >> has the rights of authorship in, he may do whatever he wis

Re: linux gpl question

2002-04-26 Thread John Galt
On Thu, 25 Apr 2002, David Starner wrote: >On Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 09:35:44PM -0600, John Galt wrote: >> No, he doesn't have to do anything at all with his patches. They aren't >> the FSF's to define the license for. For ONLY the work he authored or >> has the rights of authorship in, he may d

Re: linux gpl question

2002-04-26 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Lynn Winebarger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > In one case the police will probably come after him (assuming they > figure out who it was). Here the copyright holders have to come after > him. There's a substantial difference. And what we're talking about is exactly that. Eben Moglen, who

Re: linux gpl question

2002-04-26 Thread Lynn Winebarger
On Friday 26 April 2002 01:45, David Starner wrote: > On Fri, Apr 26, 2002 at 01:29:57AM -0500, Lynn Winebarger wrote: > > Actually he can copy all he wants without complying with the GPL. > > It would take a court to actually force him to comply with the license > > and/or > > That's sort o

Re: linux gpl question

2002-04-26 Thread David Starner
On Fri, Apr 26, 2002 at 01:29:57AM -0500, Lynn Winebarger wrote: > Actually he can copy all he wants without complying with the GPL. > It would take a court to actually force him to comply with the license and/or That's sort of like saying he can kill all he wants to; it would take a court to

Re: linux gpl question

2002-04-26 Thread Lynn Winebarger
On Friday 26 April 2002 01:18, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > John Galt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > No, he doesn't have to do anything at all with his patches. They aren't > > the FSF's to define the license for. For ONLY the work he authored or > > has the rights of authorship in, he may

Re: linux gpl question

2002-04-26 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
John Galt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > No, he doesn't have to do anything at all with his patches. They aren't > the FSF's to define the license for. For ONLY the work he authored or > has the rights of authorship in, he may do whatever he wishes with it. However, his patches are patches *of

Re: linux gpl question

2002-04-25 Thread David Starner
On Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 09:35:44PM -0600, John Galt wrote: > No, he doesn't have to do anything at all with his patches. They aren't > the FSF's to define the license for. For ONLY the work he authored or > has the rights of authorship in, he may do whatever he wishes with it. A patch to a pro

Re: linux gpl question

2002-04-25 Thread John Galt
On Thu, 25 Apr 2002, martin f krafft wrote: >[please cc me on responses] > >hey wise people, > >i have a question that's stunning us over here. there's someone >selling a complete firewall appliance atop a linux kernel. he >advertises it as hardened and as super-secure because he patched the >kern

Re: linux gpl question

2002-04-25 Thread David Starner
On Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 01:15:23PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: > now my question: the kernel's gpl, so everything using the kernel > source must be gpl. that does force this guy to make the source of all > his kernel tree patches available, unless he provides binary patches > for the kernel, righ

Re: linux gpl question

2002-04-25 Thread Stephen Ryan
On Thu, 2002-04-25 at 07:15, martin f krafft wrote: > [please cc me on responses] > > hey wise people, > > i have a question that's stunning us over here. there's someone > selling a complete firewall appliance atop a linux kernel. he > advertises it as hardened and as super-secure because he pat

linux gpl question

2002-04-25 Thread martin f krafft
[please cc me on responses] hey wise people, i have a question that's stunning us over here. there's someone selling a complete firewall appliance atop a linux kernel. he advertises it as hardened and as super-secure because he patched the kernel here and there, and because he added userland stuf

Re: GPL question

2000-09-13 Thread Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS
Samuel Hocevar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >However, if your printing server component is a library and is GPLed, > then every work linked to it has to be GPLed (or have an even less > restrictive license). > > > Also, is it relevant that at the moment the whole app. comes on a single CD? > >Th

Re: GPL question

2000-09-05 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Mike Cunningham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I work for a company which sells a proprietary closed-source call centre > application. We are looking to write a central printing server > component which would [hopefully] make use of Ghostscript. I > understand that we would need to release the pr

Re: GPL question

2000-09-05 Thread Samuel Hocevar
On Tue, Sep 05, 2000, Mike Cunningham wrote: > I work for a company which sells a proprietary closed-source call centre > application. We are looking to write a central printing server component which > would [hopefully] make use of Ghostscript. I understand that we would need to > release the pr

Re: GPL question

2000-09-05 Thread Mike Cunningham
-- Forwarded Message -- Subject: Re: GPL question Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 16:13:30 +0100 From: Mike Cunningham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Tue, 05 Sep 2000, you wrote: > Um.. debian-legal doesn't engage in handing out legal advice. > > We're focussed o

GPL question

2000-09-05 Thread Mike Cunningham
Hi everyone. Just joined the list and I'd *really* appreciate your advice on the part of the GPL that allows for exclusion of "identifiable sections" (i.e. section 2). The situation is: I work for a company which sells a proprietary closed-source call centre application. We are looking to writ

Re: GPL Question

1999-10-15 Thread William T Wilson
On Thu, 14 Oct 1999, Matthew Simpson wrote: > > You are free to use and distribute any command string in the Printer > > Technical Reference. I double checked this with my manager. The only That seems like a pretty straightforward answer to me. What aspect of the law are you worried about violat

GPL Question

1999-10-15 Thread Matthew Simpson
Hello, My Debian developer application is in the works. I plan on being the Debian maintainer for my own program, called "pup" (Printer Utility Program). The first version, which has been out since last August at: http://pup.hypermart.net is only an ink cartridge maintainance utility program for