GR Proposal: GFDL statement

2005-12-31 Thread Anthony Towns
Bcc'ed to -project, -legal and -private; followups to -vote please. It's been six months since the social contract changes that forbid non-free documentation went into effect [0], and we're still distributing GFDLed stuff in unstable [1]. I think we should get serious about fixing that, and as par

Re: GR Proposal: GFDL statement

2006-01-03 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Anthony Towns wrote: > (2.1) Invariant Sections > > The most troublesome conflict concerns the class of invariant sections > that, once included, may not be modified or removed from the documentation > in future. Modifiability is, however, a fundamental requirement of the > DFSG, which states: >

Re: GR Proposal: GFDL statement

2006-01-03 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Ian Jackson wrote: > Also, >> (4) How can this be fixed? > > This section should be clarified and strengthened. In particular, we > should encourage documentation authors to (at the moment) dual-licence > GDFL/GPL. The recommendation is: "License your documentation under the same license as the

Re: GR Proposal: GFDL statement

2006-01-05 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Tue, Jan 03, 2006 at 09:17:24PM -0500, Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote a message of 19 lines which said: > I think -legal came to a very definite consensus that licensing the > documentation under the exact same license as the program was always > the right thing to do. I agree.

Re: GR Proposal: GFDL statement

2006-01-05 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Jan 05, 2006 at 10:34:46AM +0100, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: > > It saves *so* much trouble. > > But not all documentation is attached to a software. For instance, if > I write a book "Software development on Debian", releasing it under > the GFDL is still the reasonable thing to do. Not

Re: GR Proposal: GFDL statement

2006-01-05 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Thu, Jan 05, 2006 at 12:08:23PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote a message of 15 lines which said: > > I write a book "Software development on Debian", releasing it under > > the GFDL is still the reasonable thing to do. > > Not if you want it to be part of Debian. It still

Re: GR Proposal: GFDL statement

2006-01-05 Thread MJ Ray
Stephane Bortzmeyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > But not all documentation is attached to a software. For instance, if > I write a book "Software development on Debian", releasing it under > the GFDL is still the reasonable thing to do. It's reasonable if you want to attach adverts to it and allow others

Re: GR Proposal: GFDL statement

2006-01-05 Thread Alexander (Sasha) Wait
On 1/5/06, MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Stephane Bortzmeyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > But not all documentation is attached to a software. For instance, if > > I write a book "Software development on Debian", releasing it under > > the GFDL is still the reasonable thing to do. > > It's reasona

Re: GR Proposal: GFDL statement

2006-01-07 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Thu, Jan 05, 2006 at 06:15:18PM -0500, Alexander (Sasha) Wait wrote: > I hate proprietary academic publishing, so, > I'd like to see a "pipeline" from Academic Wikis to Academic Journals > to Wikipedia. That pipeline will almost certainly be GFDL/CC-BY-SA. > It's really sad to see blood boil

Re: GR Proposal: GFDL statement

2006-01-07 Thread Alexander (Sasha) Wait
On 1/7/06, Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We've already talked to CC and they agreed to fix their licenses; 3.0 > and later should be fine, when they're released (2.x never will be). > Well - it's a goal for CC & FSF to permit content to move freely between CC-BY-SA and GFDL (or possi

Re: GR Proposal: GFDL statement

2006-01-10 Thread Nathanael Nerode
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I'm > also working with Wikipedia, CC, & FSF on licensing issues. I'm an > academic scientist. I run a 70 processor cluster (Debian stable & > OpenSSI.) I do synthetic biology. I work on Personal Genomics; my > mentor's article about the work is the cover story for

Re: GR Proposal: GFDL statement

2006-01-10 Thread Benj. Mako Hill
> That pipeline will almost certainly be GFDL/CC-BY-SA. It's really sad > to see blood boil over these licenses. Since I am talking to people > at FSF & CC regularly, I would be more than happy to bring Debian > concerns to both groups in a, hopefuly, productive fashion.If > there's a desire

Re: GR Proposal: GFDL statement

2006-01-10 Thread Alexander (Sasha) Wait
On 1/10/06, Benj. Mako Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > That pipeline will almost certainly be GFDL/CC-BY-SA. It's really sad > > to see blood boil over these licenses. Since I am talking to people > > at FSF & CC regularly, I would be more than happy to bring Debian > > concerns to both gr

Death of a copyright holders (was: [debian-vote] Amendment: invariant-less in main (Re: GR Proposal: GFDL statement)

2006-01-14 Thread martin f krafft
I stumbled over this statement in an email from the KDE team to -vote: > For the record, relicensing most of our documentation will be > impossible. There are several people with stated objections to using > the GPL for documentation, many people we have no way of contacting, > and a coupl

Re: Death of a copyright holders (was: [debian-vote] Amendment: invariant-less in main (Re: GR Proposal: GFDL statement)

2006-01-14 Thread Mahesh Pai
On 1/13/06, martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am curious: what happens to his/her copyrights when a person dies, > specifically wrt licence choice. Do people just assume that the > deceased didn't ever want to change the licence? The copyright vests in the legal representatives for th

Re: Death of a copyright holders (was: [debian-vote] Amendment: invariant-less in main (Re: GR Proposal: GFDL statement)

2006-01-14 Thread Arnoud Engelfriet
martin f krafft wrote: > I am curious: what happens to his/her copyrights when a person dies, > specifically wrt licence choice. Do people just assume that the > deceased didn't ever want to change the licence? When an author dies, the copyrights are inherited just like his other property. So you

Re: Death of a copyright holders (was: [debian-vote] Amendment: invariant-less in main (Re: GR Proposal: GFDL statement)

2006-01-14 Thread Nathanael Nerode
martin f. krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I stumbled over this statement in an email from the KDE team to > -vote: > > > For the record, relicensing most of our documentation will be > > impossible. Not a can-do attitude. > > There are several people with stated objections to using > >