Re: Linux Documentation Project License (LDPL) v2.0

2005-09-28 Thread Francesco Poli
On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 09:44:56 -0300 Humberto Massa wrote: > @ 26/09/2005 17:31 : wrote Francesco Poli : [...] > > The best definition of source > > that I know of is the one found in the GPL. > > > > We will have to agree on disagreeing, then. :-) > > The definition on the GPL (section 3, para

Re: Linux Documentation Project License (LDPL) v2.0

2005-09-28 Thread Francesco Poli
On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 23:35:57 -0400 Joe Smith wrote: > > "Francesco Poli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >As I already said, I'm not so convinced that a pseudonym "identifies" > >a person. In fact, it does (almost) the opposite, I would say. > >It builds a 'fak

Re: Linux Documentation Project License (LDPL) v2.0

2005-09-27 Thread Nathanael Nerode
> > 2. The person making the modifications must be identified. > Matthew Garrett wrote: > Fails the dissident test, but there's some level of disagreement over > whether that matters. Doesn't it depend on the meaning of "identified"? We accept such licenses if arbitrary pseudonyms are

Re: Linux Documentation Project License (LDPL) v2.0

2005-09-27 Thread Humberto Massa
@ 26/09/2005 17:31 : wrote Francesco Poli : > On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 17:33:25 +0200 Josselin Mouette wrote: > >> Le lundi 26 septembre 2005 à 12:09 -0300, Humberto Massa a écrit >> : >>> > 2. The person making the modifications must be >>> > identified. >>> >>> Yellow alert -- dis

Re: Linux Documentation Project License (LDPL) v2.0

2005-09-26 Thread Joe Smith
"Francesco Poli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] As I already said, I'm not so convinced that a pseudonym "identifies" a person. In fact, it does (almost) the opposite, I would say. It builds a 'fake' identity, but hides the real identity of its owner. IMHO, it's

Re: Linux Documentation Project License (LDPL) v2.0

2005-09-26 Thread Francesco Poli
On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 17:33:25 +0200 Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le lundi 26 septembre 2005 à 12:09 -0300, Humberto Massa a écrit : > > > 2. The person making the modifications must be > > > identified. > > > > Yellow alert -- dissident test. Marco d'Itri is extremely vocal > > ag

Re: Linux Documentation Project License (LDPL) v2.0

2005-09-26 Thread Francesco Poli
On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 12:09:08 -0300 Humberto Massa wrote: > @ 24/09/2005 14:22 : wrote Francesco Poli : [...] Thanks for your analysis. P.S.: please do not reply to me, as I didn't asked that: rather, reply to the list only! thanks -- :-( This Universe is buggy! Where's the Creator's BTS?

Re: Linux Documentation Project License (LDPL) v2.0

2005-09-26 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 26 septembre 2005 à 12:09 -0300, Humberto Massa a écrit : > > 2. The person making the modifications must be > > identified. > > Yellow alert -- dissident test. Marco d'Itri is extremely vocal > against the Dissident Test, but I think anonymity is necessary for > Free

Re: Linux Documentation Project License (LDPL) v2.0

2005-09-26 Thread Humberto Massa
ike to discuss the DFSG-compliance of a work released solely > under this license (excluding other legal issues, such as > trademarks, patents, and so forth). > > > =-=-=-=-= License text follows: =-=-=-=-= > > > LINUX DOCUMENTATION PROJECT LICENSE (LDPL) v2.0, 12 January >

Re: Linux Documentation Project License (LDPL) v2.0

2005-09-26 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit "Joe Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > "Henning Makholm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message >>It's a reasonable interpretation. The problem is that there are >>_other_ reasonable interpretations as well; in particular one easily >>imagines a court that would find that the "limited-scope iden

Re: Linux Documentation Project License (LDPL) v2.0

2005-09-25 Thread Jacobo Tarrio
El domingo, 25 de septiembre de 2005 a las 10:58:49 -0400, Joe Smith escribía: > Is it just me or is it hard to sue a pseudonymous modifier, becaue their > real identiy is not known? Yes, but the pseudonymous modifier would have lost the license to distribute the work, and anyone distributing t

Re: Linux Documentation Project License (LDPL) v2.0

2005-09-25 Thread Joe Smith
"Henning Makholm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Scripsit Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All identifiers have scope; if the license doesn't specify, there's no reason to think you can't use an identifier whose scope is limited to your involvement in the pro

Re: Linux Documentation Project License (LDPL) v2.0

2005-09-25 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > All identifiers have scope; if the license doesn't specify, there's no > reason to think you can't use an identifier whose scope is limited to your > involvement in the project. :) It's a reasonable interpretation. The problem is that there are _other

Re: Linux Documentation Project License (LDPL) v2.0

2005-09-24 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Sep 25, 2005 at 12:43:20AM +0200, Francesco Poli wrote: > > > | 2. The person making the modifications must be identified. > > > This fails to allow anonymous modifications > [...] > > I think the license clause permits pseudonymity, > I don't think so. > A pseudonym does not "identify"

Re: Linux Documentation Project License (LDPL) v2.0

2005-09-24 Thread Francesco Poli
On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 13:40:32 -0400 Michael Poole wrote: > Francesco Poli writes: > > > The main clauses I'm concerned about are: > > > > Clause A.2: > > > > | 2. The person making the modifications must be identified. > > > > This fails to allow anonymous modifications [...] > I think the licens

Re: Linux Documentation Project License (LDPL) v2.0

2005-09-24 Thread Francesco Poli
On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 18:34:47 +0100 Matthew Garrett wrote: > The others are requests rather than requirements, so there's no > problem there. Ooh! :p I apologize for this: I was sure I had read "required", rather than "requested"! :-( Thanks for pointing out. OK, my fault, please ignore everyt

Re: Linux Documentation Project License (LDPL) v2.0

2005-09-24 Thread Marco d'Itri
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Clause A.2: > >| 2. The person making the modifications must be identified. > >This fails to allow anonymous modifications and thus fails the >Dissident test, it's a restriction on modifications (I have to >give up something, namely my anonymity, in order to get permissi

Re: Linux Documentation Project License (LDPL) v2.0

2005-09-24 Thread Michael Poole
Francesco Poli writes: > The main clauses I'm concerned about are: > > Clause A.2: > > | 2. The person making the modifications must be identified. > > This fails to allow anonymous modifications and thus fails the > Dissident test, it's a restriction on modifications (I have to > give up somethi

Re: Linux Documentation Project License (LDPL) v2.0

2005-09-24 Thread Matthew Garrett
Francesco Poli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 1. The modified version must be labeled as such. Seems ok. > 2. The person making the modifications must be identified. Fails the dissident test, but there's some level of disagreement over whether that matters. > 3. Acknow

Linux Documentation Project License (LDPL) v2.0

2005-09-24 Thread Francesco Poli
uding other legal issues, such as trademarks, patents, and so forth). =-=-=-=-= License text follows: =-=-=-=-= LINUX DOCUMENTATION PROJECT LICENSE (LDPL) v2.0, 12 January 1998 I. COPYRIGHT The copyright to each Linux Documentation Project (LDP) document is owned by its auth