PHP-Nuke: A calling for votes

2003-03-09 Thread Hugo Espuny
Hi, For those who doesn't know in debian-legal, i am the DD for phpnuke package. Since Mr. Robinson had filled a grave bug against phpnuke license ( http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=183672 ) i need to make a decision about moving it or not to non-free. As after trying (yeah

Re: PHP-Nuke: A calling for votes

2003-03-09 Thread Simon Law
On Sun, Mar 09, 2003 at 07:16:07PM +0100, Hugo Espuny wrote: > 1) People who can vote: anyone reading this message (so reading > debian-legal) > 2) What you can vote: just one of the next options, just once by person. > a) "Move it to non-free" > b) "Stay at main" >

Re: PHP-Nuke: A calling for votes

2003-03-09 Thread Hugo Espuny
Hugo Espuny wrote: 3) Where i have to send my vote: to _debian-devel_ as a reply of this Obviously i meant "debian-legal" ;-) -- bye, Hugo Espuny [EMAIL PROTECTED] | GNUPG key: debian developer[EMAIL PROTECTED] | pub 1024D/E8074ECF 2002-06-28 For more info, visi

Re: PHP-Nuke: A calling for votes

2003-03-09 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Hugo Espuny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Just keep in mind this is not an election, but a kind of referendum to > help me out. Your help is gonna be very appreciated. Branden's bug report was accurate when it stated that nobody on d-l has expressed the opinion that the upstream author's requir

Re: PHP-Nuke: A calling for votes

2003-03-09 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Hugo Espuny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > 2) What you can vote: just one of the next options, just once by person. > a) "Move it to non-free" > b) "Stay at main" > c) "I don't know" > 3) Where i have to send my vote: to debian-devel as a reply of this > me

Re: PHP-Nuke: A calling for votes

2003-03-09 Thread Steve Langasek
Hugo, On Sun, Mar 09, 2003 at 07:16:07PM +0100, Hugo Espuny wrote: > For those who doesn't know in debian-legal, i am the DD for phpnuke > package. Since Mr. Robinson had filled a grave bug against phpnuke > license ( http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=183672 ) i > need to make

Re: PHP-Nuke: A calling for votes

2003-03-09 Thread Hugo Espuny
Steve Langasek wrote: I don't see that a vote is either necessary or relevant here. It doesn't harm in anyway, and it will help me :-) This is only voluntary. Unless you have a specific argument why you believe the interpretation put forth by debian-legal is wrong, Just my personal opinio

Re: PHP-Nuke: A calling for votes

2003-03-09 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Sun, Mar 09, 2003 at 09:04:48PM +0100, Hugo Espuny wrote: > >I don't see that a vote is either necessary or relevant here. > > It doesn't harm in anyway, and it will help me :-) This is only voluntary. If it's a waste of time, or comes to a false conclusion (as impromptu, ad hoc votes are liabl

Re: PHP-Nuke: A calling for votes

2003-03-09 Thread Richard Braakman
On Sun, Mar 09, 2003 at 07:16:07PM +0100, Hugo Espuny wrote: > As after trying (yeah!, i mean trying, because is to hard to extract > conclusions from such a very large thread) I don't get a clear idea of > what you legal gurus think about this matter, i 'm asking you for vote > accordingly with

Re: PHP-Nuke: A calling for votes

2003-03-09 Thread Richard Braakman
On Sun, Mar 09, 2003 at 05:27:54PM -0500, Glenn Maynard wrote: > Also--a more concrete question--is it safe to distribute (even in non-free) > programs which have upstream authors asserting broken interpretations of > their license terms? In this case, probably not. I just examined phpnuke's CRED

Re: PHP-Nuke: A calling for votes

2003-03-09 Thread Joel Baker
On Sun, Mar 09, 2003 at 07:16:07PM +0100, Hugo Espuny wrote: > 2) What you can vote: just one of the next options, just once by person. > a) "Move it to non-free" > b) "Stay at main" > c) "I don't know" I vote a), for the same reasons given by others on the t

Re: PHP-Nuke: A calling for votes

2003-03-09 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Mar 09, 2003 at 05:27:54PM -0500, Glenn Maynard wrote: > Also--a more concrete question--is it safe to distribute (even in non-free) > programs which have upstream authors asserting broken interpretations of > their license terms? There have been a number of occasions where Debian has acc

RE: PHP-Nuke: A calling for votes

2003-03-09 Thread Jim Popovitch
> -Original Message- > From: Hugo Espuny [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > 2) What you can vote: just one of the next options, just >once by person. > a) "Move it to non-free" > b) "Stay at main" > c) "I don't know" I vote for "a", as I feel this is the only appropriate opt

Re: PHP-Nuke: A calling for votes

2003-03-10 Thread hec
OK. It seems like i won't need a week to get your point of view. Thankyou very much to all of you who had voted and sent explanations. They had been very valuable for me. First of all: phpnuke package _is going to non-free_. I will make a new dupload in a day or two. So now, we can discuss the r

Re: PHP-Nuke: A calling for votes

2003-03-10 Thread Glenn Maynard
"GPL", not "GLP". (I assumed it was a typo before, but you're consistently spelling it incorrectly.) On Mon, Mar 10, 2003 at 10:15:56AM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > So now, we can discuss the rest of the matter. But keep in mind the > precedent point, please. Could you repeat what the "prec

Re: PHP-Nuke: A calling for votes

2003-03-10 Thread Hugo ESpuny
Glenn wrote: > "GPL", not "GLP". (I assumed it was a typo before, but you're > consistently spelling it incorrectly.) Ya. Sorry for the typo. > Could you repeat what the "precendent point" is? I missed it. Precedent point is we are not aguing about moving it to non-free. This is already decid

Re: PHP-Nuke: A calling for votes

2003-03-10 Thread Francesco P. Lovergine
On Sun, Mar 09, 2003 at 07:16:07PM +0100, Hugo Espuny wrote: > a) "Move it to non-free" That's my opinion. -- Francesco P. Lovergine

Re: PHP-Nuke: A calling for votes

2003-03-10 Thread Mark Rafn
On Mon, 10 Mar 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > First of all: phpnuke package _is going to non-free_. I will make a new > dupload in a day or two. Thank you. > Richard Braakman wrotes: > > 1. The GPL is DFSG-free by definition > > 2. The author is interpreting GPL 2(c) in a legally valid way >

Re: PHP-Nuke: A calling for votes

2003-03-10 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Mar 10, 2003 at 10:15:56AM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Richard Braakman wrotes: > > 1. The GPL is DFSG-free by definition > > 2. The author is interpreting GPL 2(c) in a legally valid way > > 3. Therefore, the condition is also DFSG-free > That's my point of view. We have judge

Re: PHP-Nuke: A calling for votes

2003-03-10 Thread Walter Landry
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > OK. It seems like i won't need a week to get your point of view. > Thankyou very much to all of you who had voted and sent explanations. > They had been very valuable for me. > > First of all: phpnuke package _is going to non-free_. I will make a new > dupload in a day o

Re: PHP-Nuke: A calling for votes

2003-03-10 Thread Richard Braakman
On Mon, Mar 10, 2003 at 08:55:24AM -0800, Mark Rafn wrote: > I disagree with #1 and #2. And, in fact, I belive that the PHPNuke > author's interpretation of GPL 2c is so bizarre that it's not actually > GPL-licensed software anymore. Actually, it's possible that the author is not interpreting G

Re: PHP-Nuke: A calling for votes

2003-03-10 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Mar 10, 2003 at 10:15:56AM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > That's my point of view. We have judge Mr.F.Burzi and found him guilty. I do not believe this is a fair representation of the opinion of *anyone* on debian-legal. The license on PHPNuke has been judged as incompatible with the D

Re: PHP-Nuke: A calling for votes

2003-03-10 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Mar 10, 2003 at 10:40:15AM -0800, Walter Landry wrote: > Does PHP-Nuke contain any GPL code besides the author's? If so, he's > combining GPL-incompatible code with GPL code, in which case Debian > can't distribute it at all. This is an extremely important point; Mr. Espuny, please resear

Re: PHP-Nuke: A calling for votes

2003-03-11 Thread Brian Nelson
Glenn Maynard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > There also seems to be a consensus that this interpretation of the GPL > is not a valid one (eg. not a reasonable interpretation of the license > itself). Interpreting the GPL in strange, logically unreasonable ways > weakens the GPL, and weakening the

Re: PHP-Nuke: A calling for votes

2003-03-11 Thread David Turner
On Mon, 2003-03-10 at 05:01, Glenn Maynard wrote: > > Richard Braakman wrotes: > >>Note that this is not so much a legal question as a question of > >>software freedom. The only legal argument that would apply would > >>go like this: > > > > > 1. The GPL is DFSG-free by definition > > > 2. The

Re: PHP-Nuke: A calling for votes

2003-03-11 Thread David Turner
On Mon, 2003-03-10 at 17:24, Richard Braakman wrote: > > My rule of thumb is that if you ever find yourself in a situation where > the technically ideal solution is blocked by software licensing, then > you're not dealing with free software. This is my version of freedom 0. > (You could always get

Re: Bug#183672: PHP-Nuke: A calling for votes

2003-03-10 Thread Hugo Espuny
Branden Robinson wrote: This is an extremely important point; Mr. Espuny, please research this issue and get back to us as soon as you can. If Mr. Landry's fears are founded, then Debian might be infringing the copyrights of people *other* than Mr. Burzi, *right now*. OK, Branden. I will tr