Re: PROPOSED: the Dictator Test (was: Contractual requirements [was: request-tracker3: license shadiness])

2004-07-12 Thread Raul Miller
> On Mon, Jul 12, 2004 at 02:39:32AM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > > A license should be granting permission, not taking away rights. Period. On Mon, Jul 12, 2004 at 04:45:14PM +1000, Matthew Palmer wrote: > s/^A /A free / > > Very succinctly put, though. Agreed. However, (given that there

Re: PROPOSED: the Dictator Test (was: Contractual requirements [was: request-tracker3: license shadiness])

2004-07-12 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Mon, Jul 12, 2004 at 02:39:32AM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > A license should be granting permission, not taking away rights. Period. s/^A /A free / Very succinctly put, though. - Matt

Re: PROPOSED: the Dictator Test (was: Contractual requirements [was: request-tracker3: license shadiness])

2004-07-12 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Zenaan Harkness wrote: > Can we generalize and say something like any license which attempts to > restrict beyond the lowest common denominator of copyright laws that > exist today? > > Or is the Autocrat Test simply a jurisdictional test? Neither. What I think it's about is precisely this fro

Re: PROPOSED: the Dictator Test (was: Contractual requirements

2004-07-07 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, Jul 01, 2004 at 02:40:01AM -0600, Joe Moore wrote: > > On 2004-06-30 23:05:08 +0100 Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> We should come up with a name for this test. Maybe the "Autocrat > >> Test" > >> or the "Dictator Test"? The copyright (or patent, or trademark) > >> holder > >> d

Re: PROPOSED: the Dictator Test (was: Contractual requirements [was: request-tracker3: license shadiness])

2004-07-07 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, Jul 01, 2004 at 02:38:46AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: > On 2004-06-30 23:05:08 +0100 Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > >suggest that any license which attempts to prohibit that which would > >otherwise be legal is non-free by definition. > > I think this would actually bring de

Re: PROPOSED: the Dictator Test (was: Contractual requirements [was: request-tracker3: license shadiness])

2004-07-07 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, Jul 01, 2004 at 01:13:43AM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: > "Autocrat" and "dictator" are roughly synonymous and just refer to > systems of government where all power stems from a single individual; > the UK was an autocracy for much of its history without individual > freedom being signific

Re: PROPOSED: the Dictator Test (was: Contractual requirements

2004-07-01 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Thu, 2004-07-01 at 18:40, Joe Moore wrote: > > On 2004-06-30 23:05:08 +0100 Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> We should come up with a name for this test. Maybe the "Autocrat > >> Test" > >> or the "Dictator Test"? The copyright (or patent, or trademark) > >> holder > >> does not get t

Re: PROPOSED: the Dictator Test (was: Contractual requirements

2004-07-01 Thread Joe Moore
> On 2004-06-30 23:05:08 +0100 Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> We should come up with a name for this test. Maybe the "Autocrat >> Test" >> or the "Dictator Test"? The copyright (or patent, or trademark) >> holder >> does not get to make up his or her own laws? The Ideocrat Test? Or per

Re: PROPOSED: the Dictator Test (was: Contractual requirements [was: request-tracker3: license shadiness])

2004-06-30 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Wed, Jun 30, 2004 at 05:05:08PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > On Fri, Jun 11, 2004 at 02:49:19PM -0400, Glenn Maynard wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 11, 2004 at 11:57:38PM +1000, Matthew Palmer wrote: > > > This comment has just clarified something that's been rattling around > > > half-formed in my

Re: PROPOSED: the Dictator Test (was: Contractual requirements [was: request-tracker3: license shadiness])

2004-06-30 Thread MJ Ray
On 2004-06-30 23:05:08 +0100 Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: suggest that any license which attempts to prohibit that which would otherwise be legal is non-free by definition. I think this would actually bring debian closer to FSF's position: "If a contract-based license restrict

Re: PROPOSED: the Dictator Test (was: Contractual requirements [was: request-tracker3: license shadiness])

2004-06-30 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Wed, Jun 30, 2004 at 05:05:08PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > The above did not get much discussion; I'd just like to AOL it, and > suggest that any license which attempts to prohibit that which would > otherwise be legal is non-free by definition. > > Yes, this will vary by jurisdiction, bu

Re: PROPOSED: the Dictator Test (was: Contractual requirements [was: request-tracker3: license shadiness])

2004-06-30 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Thu, 2004-07-01 at 08:05, Branden Robinson wrote: > On Fri, Jun 11, 2004 at 02:49:19PM -0400, Glenn Maynard wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 11, 2004 at 11:57:38PM +1000, Matthew Palmer wrote: > > > This comment has just clarified something that's been rattling around > > > half-formed in my head for a li

PROPOSED: the Dictator Test (was: Contractual requirements [was: request-tracker3: license shadiness])

2004-06-30 Thread Branden Robinson
On Fri, Jun 11, 2004 at 02:49:19PM -0400, Glenn Maynard wrote: > On Fri, Jun 11, 2004 at 11:57:38PM +1000, Matthew Palmer wrote: > > This comment has just clarified something that's been rattling around > > half-formed in my head for a little while now, regarding Free licences. I > > don't know if