Re: Trademark scope (just for the record)

2007-09-09 Thread MJ Ray
Rick Moen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Quoting Steve Langasek ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > > The nature of our disagreement seems to be in our differing > > assessments of what's going to cause confusion in the minds of the > > customers. > > I'd call that progress -- because _all of the prior writings_

Re: Trademark scope (just for the record)

2007-09-08 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, Sep 07, 2007 at 09:32:06AM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Steve Langasek ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > > On Thu, Sep 06, 2007 at 11:50:21PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > > > Pepsico doesn't ask the Coca-Cola Company's permission to publish claims > > > that its sugar-water is better tasting than i

Re: Trademark scope (just for the record)

2007-09-08 Thread Ken Arromdee
On Fri, 7 Sep 2007, Rick Moen wrote: > > > Pepsico doesn't ask the Coca-Cola Company's permission to publish > > > claims that its sugar-water is better tasting than is Coca-Cola. > > > That ought to be a big, fat clue, but far too many people have been > > > successfully conned and don't think abo

Re: Trademark scope (just for the record)

2007-09-07 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Don Armstrong ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > Those of us who have discussed this issue at length are quite aware of > the scope of trademark law and the obvious cases where we would need > permission, and where permission is not required. Good to know. I'd not seen signs of that awareness on thi

Re: Trademark scope (just for the record)

2007-09-07 Thread Don Armstrong
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007, Rick Moen wrote: > I was not suggesting that was the case. Read what I _said_, please. > I was pointing out one huge clue, from the realm of everyday > commerce, that should have alerted Debian users to the fact that, > no, it is not true that one must ask a trademark owner's p

Re: Trademark scope (just for the record)

2007-09-07 Thread Rick Moen
have to substitute references to ice and weasels. My aim in this thread was _not_ to get Debian Project to reverse a stupid, but already implemented, decision. That's why the Subject header was "Trademark scope (just for the record)". If I've had no greater effect tha

Re: Trademark scope (just for the record)

2007-09-07 Thread Ken Arromdee
On Thu, 6 Sep 2007, Rick Moen wrote: > Pepsico doesn't ask the Coca-Cola Company's permission to publish claims > that its sugar-water is better tasting than is Coca-Cola. That ought to > be a big, fat clue, but far too many people have been successfully > conned and don't think about the implicat

Re: Trademark scope (just for the record)

2007-09-07 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Steve Langasek ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > On Thu, Sep 06, 2007 at 11:50:21PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: >> Trademark law never requires any such thing. > > When you are distributing a product which is similar, but not identical, to > the product of the trademark holder, using the trademark to

Re: Trademark scope (just for the record)

2007-09-07 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Sep 06, 2007 at 11:50:21PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > > Perhaps you don't understand that it's our position that Debian and its > > derivers need to have the freedom to make modifications to the browser > > without being obligated to either get prior approval from Mozilla Corp. for > > each

Re: Trademark scope (just for the record)

2007-09-06 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Steve Langasek ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > On Thu, Sep 06, 2007 at 08:25:30AM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > > > As usual for trademark claims, the complainer greatly overstates the > > rights actually available to trademark owners[1]. Briefly stated, > > establishing a valid trademark entitles yo

Re: Trademark scope (just for the record)

2007-09-06 Thread Steve Langasek
Rick, On Thu, Sep 06, 2007 at 08:25:30AM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > > See http://bugs.debian.org/354622 for the full story. Sorry I didn't > > include that link before, I was lazy. > As usual for trademark claims, the complainer greatly overstates the > rights actually available to trademark owne

Trademark scope (just for the record)

2007-09-06 Thread Rick Moen
- Forwarded message from rick - Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 19:15:11 -0700 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: :-/ Quoting Trent W. Buck ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > See http://bugs.debian.org/354622 for the full story. Sorry I didn't > include that link before, I was lazy. As usual for trademark cl