On Thu, 2024-09-12 at 14:54 +0300, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 12, 2024 at 12:46:08AM +0200, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> > Building linux-6.1 in the bullseye-security suite for arm64 has been
> > attempted and failed on 4 different buildds today, with the messages:
> >
chroot does not exist
E: Error creating chroot session: skipping linux-6.1
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Severity: important
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As with earlier releases that had LTS, I'm trying to add a backported
kernel version to bullseye-security now that bullseye-backports is
closed.
This will need some configuration changes in dak and the signing
s
there is still a
policy queue for bullseye-security.
Please check that an uploaded package has actually been built and
released before issuing the corresponding DLA.
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looks this is controlled by the
External-Signature-Requests::Default-Suites key in dak.conf.
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On Fri, 2023-10-20 at 00:10 +0200, Andreas Ziegler wrote:
> Ben Hutchings wrote on 19.10.23 23:24:
> > -
> > Debian LTS Advisory DLA-3623-1debian-lts@lists.debian.org
> > https://www.de
010
> and seems inclomplete without:
> https://github.com/moby/moby/commit/1e195acee45ac69a2f7d8d4f2c9ea05ff6b0af2c
> And for completeness again auser config:
> https://github.com/moby/moby/commit/9a692a38028f4914a3a914c9a229e61bb3fbaf66
>
> Bastien
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> /var/lib/apt/lists/*Sources
> give me:
> - janus on o-o-stable-backport
>
> Do not know what to do with it.
buster-backports is not supported at all, so we don't need to care
about that.
I think we can mark this package us unsupported.
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ewall. It's unfortunate that we
still don't enable that by default in desktop installations.
If we can't fix the code then maybe we could issue a DLA recommending
blocking this port.
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bably never will be.
If you are hosting untrusted VMs then I strongly encourage you to use
Linux 5.10 or later.
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, or when any
configuration change has been done.
Thanks,
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x27;t* include any urgent
security updates, though I expect that such an update will be needed
before long.
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find any regressions from the current released
version (3.16.81-1). I intend to upload linux early next week.
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find any regressions from the current released
version (3.16.81-1). I intend to upload linux within the next week.
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find any regressions from the current released
version (3.16.81-1).
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27;s ceph client as
far as 4.9, but introduced a bug in the process (since fixed). At that
point I decided not to backport them any further, but can have a go if
someone sets up an updated server to test against.
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find any regressions from the current released
version (3.16.81-1).
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On Tue, 2020-03-17 at 10:00 +0100, Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote:
> On 17/03/2020 03:58, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> > On Fri, 2020-03-13 at 16:29 +0100, Piviul wrote:
> > > Sylvain Beucler ha scritto il 06/03/20 alle 13:14:
[...]
> > > > Anybody knows if there's an a
re
no more point releases and so security updates are not copied to the
main archive, or from there to archive.debian.org. (But squeeze-lts
was on the main archive, so it was copied along with the main squeeze
suite.)
So it seems that we are lacking a procedure for archiving a suite from
the secur
;s the current best practice for running jessie systems
> with Linux 4.9? (I know that jessie is oldoldstable, the replacement
> systems are already under testing, but until then...)
>
> (Please Cc me, I'm not subscribed.)
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> ERROR: .data or .wml file missing for DLA 2114-1 (reserved by Ben Hutchings)
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Not yet issued as the upload is waiting in NEW.
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tream is a small change. If the maintainer has also made
that change in later versions, I wouldn't hesitate to do so in a
security update.
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tect against CSRF,
though it's not the most effective mitigation:
<https://owasp.org/www-community/attacks/csrf>.
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LTS and normal security support?
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to check with
> others for an opinion,.
>
> For now I have marked as ignored, but if people have good arguments I will
> change my mind.
>
> Best regards
>
> // Ola
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er}-security also references packages with an upstream
version 68.4.1esr.
However DLA-2061-1 for jessie-security has a version of
68.4.0esr-1~deb8u1.
I think the wrong version was backported to jessie-security, leaving
this issue unfixed.
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> [0] https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2
scription form at <
https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/unsubscribe>.
Tick the box for "debian-lts-announce" (and any other Debian lists he
was subscribed to), enter the email address that he used, and press
Unsubscribe.
You'll then get a confirmation mail, which you need to respo
find any regressions from the current released
version (3.16.76-1). I intend to upload soon, so please plan to test
and report back before the end of this week.
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find any regressions from the current released
version (3.16.76-1).
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find any regressions from the current released
version (3.16.74-1).
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On Mon, 2019-10-07 at 07:02 -0700, howard wrote:
> Please discontinue sending [SECURITY] [XXX --] items,Thank
> you!
[...]
You need to write to debian-lts-announce-requ...@lists.debian.org, as
explained at <https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#subunsub>.
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an announce lists,
is configured to redirect replies to a discussion list.
Mike, you should issue a DLA-1942-2 as a new non-reply message.
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ounce about package updates
should be numbered DLAs.
3. DLAs that are related to prior DLAs should use the same first part
and an incremented second part.
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.12-5+deb9u2.
>
> Typo: version number is 1.2.12-5+deb8u2, not 1.2.12-5+deb9u2.
The proper way to make such a correction is to issue a -2 advisory with
the correct information and a note about what changed.
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If it jams, force it. If it bre
updates up to 3.16.67 plus a backport of MDS
mitigations to 3.16 which will be in 3.16.68.
Let me know if you find any regressions from the current released
version (3.16.64-2).
Ben.
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he intel-microcode update as he has
done before.
Note that stable branches older than 4.9 are not getting the
speculation mitigations for KVM, and should not be used with untrusted
guests (at least on Intel hardware).
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s.
> >
> > Please always include them with the kernel-uploades for jessie-
> > security.
> >
> > Christoph
> >
> >
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the
-updates suite will not be removed until end of LTS.
As for jessie-backports, the removal was announced in July 2018.
Ben.
> OK, I am a little late to pick up on this, but I'm sure there are
> other people still running some Jessie systems who only run update
> commands on the
Assuming that you are going to take almost all the changes from
stretch:
1. Add all the newer changelog entries from stretch to jessie's
debian/changelog.
2. Add an entry for the backport version.
3. Use the -v option with the previous jessie version when building the
source package.
find any regressions from the current released
version (3.16.64-2).
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On Wed, 2019-04-03 at 00:02 +, Andy Smith wrote:
> Hi Ben,
>
> On Wed, Apr 03, 2019 at 12:23:46AM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> > Debian LTS is a team within Debian. It's separate from the main
> > security team and the stable release managers, but it is no l
t's separate from the main
security team and the stable release managers, but it is no less part
of Debian.
The transition to extended support by the LTS team has always been
announced, in any case:
https://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/2014/msg4.html
https://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/201
On Mon, 2019-03-25 at 17:20 +, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> On Tue, 2019-03-05 at 22:00 +0000, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> > On Fri, 2019-03-01 at 14:05 +0100, Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote:
> [...]
> > > (It
> > > may be unlikely for old suites to have users with new
pload packages for testing to people.debian.org, in the
absence of something more official.
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(linux-image-3.16.0-7-amd64
> (version 3.16.59-1) both kernels are crashing while mounting the CIFS
> share:
[...]
Hi, sorry for the slow response to this. I can reproduce this and am
testing a candidate fix.
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On Sun, 2019-03-31 at 16:32 -0600, Bob Proulx wrote:
> Ben Hutchings wrote:
> > Bob Proulx wrote:
> > > Where would the entire wheezy-lts be archived? Hopefully it wasn't lost.
> >
> > There was no wheezy-lts suite. All uploads during the LTS period wen
re was no wheezy-lts suite. All uploads during the LTS period went
into wheezy-security which is currently still available from
security.debian.org (but I would expect it to be archived soon).
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On Wed, 2019-03-27 at 20:19 +0100, Pascal Hambourg wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Le 27/03/2019 à 08:32, Ben Hutchings wrote :
> > Binary: linux-doc-3.16 linux-manual-3.16 linux-source-3.16
> > linux-support-3.16.0-8
>
> Since this is an ABI change, is linux-latest going to b
On Tue, 2019-03-26 at 17:51 +0100, Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote:
> On 25/03/2019 18:20, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> > On Tue, 2019-03-05 at 22:00 +0000, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> > > On Fri, 2019-03-01 at 14:05 +0100, Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote:
> > [...]
> > > >
On Tue, 2019-03-05 at 22:00 +, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> On Fri, 2019-03-01 at 14:05 +0100, Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote:
[...]
> > (It
> > may be unlikely for old suites to have users with new hardware, however it's
> > possible and users that don't have i
reviously sent to debian-kernel but was re-posted here)
>
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are,
> so
> it wouldn't hurt to ship it.)
>
> My branch is for jessie but I can prepare it for stretch too if you think
> that's
> worth it.
The current jessie-security version of firmware-nonfree is really a
backport from stretch. So I would prefer it if you update the
blic header, and is exported, so I don't know whether this
distinction exists other than in the mind of the upstream developer...
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if (len == 0 || len > PTRDIFF_MAX)
return 0;
> Is that right? If so, would it be possible to just change the type to a
> ssize_t
> instead?
Either that or ptrdiff_t should work.
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t; > OK, that sounds fine. I've just started a build now as 8.11.1 for the
> > 4 LTS arches. I'll do a little bit of smoke testing, then publish in
> > the normal place (https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive) and
> > report back.
>
> Now done.
Thank you very much, Steve.
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the
least bad.
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> But I could be convinced otherwise.
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On Tue, 2019-01-22 at 13:50 +, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 01:44:12PM +0000, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> > On Tue, 2019-01-22 at 13:17 +0100, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote:
> > > -
> > &g
initial installation and we don't have any
provision for updating installer images during LTS. So we're either
going to have to revisit that or come up with some kind of workaround
for installation time.
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from gzip likely relates to creation of the initramfs
image, which has to go in /boot.
If there isn't even room for 2 versions of the kernel and initramfs in
/boot, another option would be to reduce the size of the initramfs by
setting MODULES=dep (see initramfs.conf(5)).
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On Mon, 2018-12-03 at 15:49 -0500, Antoine Beaupré wrote:
> On 2018-12-03 20:40:08, Ben Hutchings wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > I don't see this as an acceptable option for LTS. We could maybe add a
> > xen-4.8 package if it was popular in jessie-backports, but that does
a working day or less if we abandon Xen
> 4.4.
[...]
I don't see this as an acceptable option for LTS. We could maybe add a
xen-4.8 package if it was popular in jessie-backports, but that doesn't
excuse us from having to support 4.4.
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alisation. However, nested VMX was considered
experimental in KVM for a long time so you have to set a module
parameter to enable it.
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On Tue, 2018-11-20 at 10:28 -0500, Antoine Beaupré wrote:
> On 2018-11-20 15:19:45, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> > On Mon, 2018-11-19 at 15:48 -0500, Antoine Beaupré wrote:
[...]
> > > I think this is overengineered. I still haven't heard exactly what the
> > > probl
On Mon, 2018-11-19 at 15:48 -0500, Antoine Beaupré wrote:
> On 2018-11-13 22:02:45, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> > On Tue, 2018-11-13 at 12:31 -0500, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote:
> > > On Mon 2018-11-12 15:16:39 -0500, Antoine Beaupré wrote:
> > >
> > > > *
nd that would remain after an upgrade. But it would be
harmless cruft that "apt autoremove" would deal with.
(I assume that GnuPG 2.1 would be packaged as "gnupg2", replacing GnuPG
2.0 since that is no longer supported upstream. If not then I do see a
problem of how to make, say,
don't think they are suitable
for jessie-security. Would it be possible to bundle the libraries with
gpg 2.1, and install them somewhere that doesn't conflict with the
existing versions?
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On Sat, 2018-11-10 at 22:55 +0100, Laura Arjona Reina wrote:
> Hello all
>
> El 9/11/18 a las 2:50, Ben Hutchings escribió:
> > I recently discovered a bug in the installer (#908711). During
> > installation with network sources enabled, security update are normally
> >
wever, I wonder whether it
would be helpful and possible to update the release notes or other
official documentation at this stage?
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On Mon, 2018-10-29 at 15:56 +0100, Peter Dreuw wrote:
> Am 26.10.18 um 14:48 schrieb Ben Hutchings:
> > On Thu, 2018-10-25 at 11:32 +0200, Peter Dreuw wrote:
> > > Am 25.10.18 um 10:08 schrieb Peter Dreuw:
> > > may one point to make it clear, tho it migh
nizations, complete with the restrictions that might come
> with that.
Debian can't afford to pay developers in general, and previous
proposals to pay specific developers were not well received. So, I
don't this happening.
Ben.
> Another way is for Debian websites to not solic
but "supported by LTS", which might be confusing to these users. So,
> maybe just fix this nitpick?
[...]
Although Freexian organises funding for LTS work, there are other LTS
contributors paid directly by other organisations or working on their
own time. So the best name we have for those
we refer
to jessie's status (and future releases when regular security support
for them ends).
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The obvious mathematical breakthrough [to break modern encryption]
would be development of an easy way to factor large prime numbers.
ll need to be as an additional
source package, and that must not build any binary packages that are
built from the "xen" source package. I did this for the Linux kernel
by adding the "linux-4.9" source package.
Ben.
> From my perspective, looking into these fixes for 4.4 is mor
. The previous behavior can be restored using
the flag --with-ssl3 to configure.
** libgnutls: require strict DER encoding for certificates, OCSP requests,
private
keys, CRLs and certificate requests. This backports the already default
behavior
from the 3.5.x branch, in order to reduce i
On Wed, 2018-10-17 at 03:18 +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> I've pushed backported fixes to a jessie-security branch at <
> https://salsa.debian.org/debian/libssh>; and uploaded packages to <
> https://people.debian.org/~benh/packages/jessie-security/>;.
>
> The
. I got the test suite to build and pass, but I don't
have a great deal of confidence in it. So I would appreciate any
suggestions for how to test that the library still works for real
applications. (Or, if you prefer, you could test and upload
yourselves.)
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loads for LTS, this update of the linux source package
requires approval by the FTP team. This should be resolved soon.
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satisfiable in
jessie (specifically libdose3-ocaml-dev (>= 4.0.1-2~), libcmdliner-
ocaml-dev (>= 0.9.7~), ibjsonm-ocaml-dev). It looks like you will need
to revert several of the packaging changes.
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Klipstein's 4th Law of Prototyping and Production:
nge the release name in the .changes file to
"UNRELEASED" before signing it. That way, it's possible to verify the
integrity of the packages but the archive would reject an upload.
I put this entry in my .dput.cf to support this practice:
[pdo]
fqdn = people.debian.org
method = rsync
login = benh
incoming = public_html/packages/
allowed_distributions = UNRELEASED$
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; I have gone back to linux-image-3.16 and no longer triggers any problems
> in the logs, the filesystem is OK.
As I wrote in the announcement, there is no need to upgrade to Linux
4.9 just because it's available. Linux 3.16 will still be supported
throughout the jessie LTS period.
Ben.
On Fri, 2018-07-20 at 01:09 +0200, Baptiste Jonglez wrote:
> On 19-07-18, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> > On Thu, 2018-07-19 at 17:26 +0200, Baptiste Jonglez wrote:
> > > I saw the recent announcement about linux-4.9 [1,2] in jessie.
> > >
> > > However, these new
er, this dependency on a version not in jessie is a real bug. It
is probably safe to update linux-base in jessie, but I'll have to take
some time to verify that.
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; Does that make sense? Should we introduce such a suite?
I was planning to replace linux in jessie-backports with a linux-4.9
package in jessie proper, but would also be happy to support a jessie-
backports-lts instead.
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e's the
> whole thing, for the record:
[...]
> linux
[...]
I will update linux in the next few hours, but won't fix all the
outstanding issues.
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d the
kernel changes to do so have not been backported to Linux 3.2.
So there seems to be little point in doing the microcode update.
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updates for Debian 7.0. A
> subset of Wheezy packages will be supported by Freexian though. Detailed
> information can be found at https://deb.freexian.com/extended-lts.
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upload
(which builds the metapackages) was handled entirely automatically.
This doesn't happen for non-LTS security suites because the security
team has to approve each update and can ensure that multiple related
updates are done at the same time.
Ben.
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On Tue, 2018-04-24 at 15:44 +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Apr 2018, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> > Therefore, would it make sense to add a Linux 4.9 backport to the
> > regular jessie and jessie-security suites?
>
> Yes, I think so. It's also interesting to
running jessie with Linux 4.9 and expecting to continue doing so
through the LTS period?
(Maintaining kernel backports is generally quite easy once the suite
they are backported from is stable.)
Ben.
--
Ben Hutchings
It is easier to write an incorrect program
than to understand a correct one
On Fri, 2018-04-13 at 21:18 -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 14, 2018 at 02:11:28AM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> > On Sat, 2018-04-14 at 01:57 +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> > [...]
> > > I've pushed my version to:
> > > https://people.deb
On Sun, 2018-04-15 at 00:42 +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> On Sat, 2018-04-14 at 02:11 +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> > On Sat, 2018-04-14 at 01:57 +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> > [...]
> > > I've pushed my version to:
> > > https://people.debian.org/~benh/pa
On Sat, 2018-04-14 at 02:11 +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> On Sat, 2018-04-14 at 01:57 +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> [...]
> > I've pushed my version to:
> > https://people.debian.org/~benh/packages/wheezy-security/
> >
> > I believe this builds the right se
On Sat, 2018-04-14 at 01:57 +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote:
[...]
> I've pushed my version to:
> https://people.debian.org/~benh/packages/wheezy-security/
>
> I believe this builds the right set of binary packages, and the files
> contained in them match the binaries built from 4.
On Thu, 2018-04-12 at 23:02 +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> [Trimmed the cc list]
>
> On Thu, 2018-04-12 at 18:39 +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> > On Thu, 2018-04-12 at 17:00 +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote:
>
> [...]
> > > I didn't know how it worked, only that it do
[Trimmed the cc list]
On Thu, 2018-04-12 at 18:39 +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> On Thu, 2018-04-12 at 17:00 +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote:
[...]
> > I didn't know how it worked, only that it does work. Anyway, I've
> > looked now and I think you need to apply the followin
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