Re: Help for asking upstreams about free licenses urgently needed (Was: Help: Seeking source code of guppy base caller)

2020-05-05 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Tue, May 05, 2020 at 11:18:51PM +0200, Andreas Tille a écrit : > > apt install environment-modules Yes, but we are under CentOS... This said, I use Debian Med increasingly with Singularity. I made an image where I `apt install med-cloud` and use it to make environment modules that export

Re: Help for asking upstreams about free licenses urgently needed (Was: Help: Seeking source code of guppy base caller)

2020-05-05 Thread Andreas Tille
On Wed, May 06, 2020 at 04:20:49AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: > > I wonder how users of that software are dealing with this. > > In our case we use the environment modules system (modules.sourceforge.net). Or apt install environment-modules Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-til

Re: Help for asking upstreams about free licenses urgently needed (Was: Help: Seeking source code of guppy base caller)

2020-05-05 Thread Andreas Tille
Hi Simon, On Tue, May 05, 2020 at 03:24:12PM +0200, zimoun wrote: > > I wonder how users of that software are dealing with this. > > Personally, I am using on the top of Debian the package manager GNU > Guix with custom channels for installing these non-free software. It > helps because it is ea

Re: Help for asking upstreams about free licenses urgently needed (Was: Help: Seeking source code of guppy base caller)

2020-05-05 Thread Charles Plessy
> On Mon, May 04, 2020 at 10:37:22AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: > > > > - Upgrades are not drop-in replacements for each other and a laboratory > >typycally needs to install several versions side-to-side. Le Tue, May 05, 2020 at 06:52:43AM +0200, Andreas Tille a écrit : > I wonder how user

Re: Help for asking upstreams about free licenses urgently needed (Was: Help: Seeking source code of guppy base caller)

2020-05-05 Thread zimoun
Dear, On Tue, 5 May 2020 at 06:53, Andreas Tille wrote: > > - Guppy is a moving target, and whichever version we would distribute > >in Stable is unlikely to satisfy the users a year later. > > > > - Upgrades are not drop-in replacements for each other and a laboratory > >typycally nee

Re: Help for asking upstreams about free licenses urgently needed (Was: Help: Seeking source code of guppy base caller)

2020-05-04 Thread Andreas Tille
Hi Charles, thanks a lot for your insight. On Mon, May 04, 2020 at 10:37:22AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: > Hi Andreas and everybody, > > I am a regular user of Guppy. We use it to transform ("basecall") raw > signal output from the sequencers manufactured by Oxford Nanopore > Technologies (ON

Re: Help for asking upstreams about free licenses urgently needed (Was: Help: Seeking source code of guppy base caller)

2020-05-03 Thread Charles Plessy
Hi Andreas and everybody, I am a regular user of Guppy. We use it to transform ("basecall") raw signal output from the sequencers manufactured by Oxford Nanopore Technologies (ONT) to nucleic acid sequence files in the FASTQ format accepted by many of the tools that we package in Debian Med. I t

Re: Help for asking upstreams about free licenses urgently needed (Was: Help: Seeking source code of guppy base caller)

2020-05-03 Thread Andreas Tille
On Sun, May 03, 2020 at 06:05:00PM +0200, Jun Aruga wrote: > Oxford Nanopore Technology's annual event is 18th , 19th June. After > registering your account to attend, you can access some useful > knowledge articles including Guppy on the community site. > https://nanoporetech.com/lc20 Honestly, I

Re: Help for asking upstreams about free licenses urgently needed (Was: Help: Seeking source code of guppy base caller)

2020-05-03 Thread Jun Aruga
Oxford Nanopore Technology's annual event is 18th , 19th June. After registering your account to attend, you can access some useful knowledge articles including Guppy on the community site. https://nanoporetech.com/lc20 -- Jun | He - His - Him

Re: Help for asking upstreams about free licenses urgently needed (Was: Help: Seeking source code of guppy base caller)

2020-04-28 Thread Jun Aruga
On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 4:31 PM Andreas Tille wrote: > > Hi Ben, > > On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 03:16:56PM +0200, Ben Tris wrote: > > I am willing to ask about guppy first, > > Thanks a lot. Thanks! > > but what address could I use best? > > May be you can check out the links Michael has given. Do

Re: Help for asking upstreams about free licenses urgently needed (Was: Help: Seeking source code of guppy base caller)

2020-04-28 Thread Andreas Tille
Hi Ben, On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 03:16:56PM +0200, Ben Tris wrote: > I am willing to ask about guppy first, Thanks a lot. > but what address could I use best? May be you can check out the links Michael has given. Does anybody have some other points of contact? I personally have no idea, sorry.

Re: Help for asking upstreams about free licenses urgently needed (Was: Help: Seeking source code of guppy base caller)

2020-04-28 Thread Andreas Tille
Hi Ben, would you volunteer to contact the authors about this? Thanks a lot in advance Andreas. On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 03:01:51PM +0200, Ben Tris wrote: > I was referring to the flappy license, that is mozilla like > maybe they are willing to change to MPL-2.0 that is GPL compatible > if

Re: Help for asking upstreams about free licenses urgently needed (Was: Help: Seeking source code of guppy base caller)

2020-04-28 Thread Ben Tris
I am willing to ask about guppy first, but what address could I use best? And I'm afraid that I will not be that convincing, don't know the exact use and needs for having guppy freed. On 28-04-20 15:11, Andreas Tille wrote: > Hi Ben, > > would you volunteer to contact the authors about this? > > T

Re: Help for asking upstreams about free licenses urgently needed (Was: Help: Seeking source code of guppy base caller)

2020-04-28 Thread Ben Tris
I was referring to the flappy license, that is mozilla like maybe they are willing to change to MPL-2.0 that is GPL compatible if that research only is a problem, but I think (guess) there are enough escapes in the license. I still think there should be a confirmation that guppy will not be availa

Re: Help for asking upstreams about free licenses urgently needed (Was: Help: Seeking source code of guppy base caller)

2020-04-28 Thread Andreas Tille
Hi Michael, thanks a lot for the links. Any volunteer to start some discussion? As I said: If we do not try nothing will change. People with no technical skills could contribute by doing so to take some workload from packagers. I'll offer a $DRINK at next Debian Med sprint for every attempt to

Re: Help for asking upstreams about free licenses urgently needed (Was: Help: Seeking source code of guppy base caller)

2020-04-28 Thread Michael Crusoe
The guppy binary license is https://nanoporetech.com/sites/default/files/s3/terms/Nanopore-product-terms-and-conditions-nov2018-v2.pdf No source code is provided. No competitors of the company may use the software. Must be for "research use only". https://github.com/nanoporetech/flappie/blob/maste

Re: Help for asking upstreams about free licenses urgently needed (Was: Help: Seeking source code of guppy base caller)

2020-04-28 Thread Andreas Tille
On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 06:39:44PM +0200, Ben Tris wrote: > Sorry to pop in. > I think this license should be reviewed, What exact license are you talking about. I'm missing a link to guppy source code including any license. > unless sure it is not a free license. > To me it looks like a free so

Re: Help for asking upstreams about free licenses urgently needed (Was: Help: Seeking source code of guppy base caller)

2020-04-27 Thread Ben Tris
Sorry to pop in. I think this license should be reviewed, unless sure it is not a free license. To me it looks like a free software license. Although not understand most. What is making this license non-free? On 27-04-20 17:06, Jun Aruga wrote: > On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 4:43 PM Andreas Tille wro

Re: Help for asking upstreams about free licenses urgently needed (Was: Help: Seeking source code of guppy base caller)

2020-04-27 Thread Andreas Tille
Hi Jun, On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 05:06:41PM +0200, Jun Aruga wrote: > > this brings up again my point: We *really*, *really* should take the > > chance right now to ask upstreams for free licensing. The time is good. > > We just need somebody who is really doing this. > > For us, the free licensi

Re: Help for asking upstreams about free licenses urgently needed (Was: Help: Seeking source code of guppy base caller)

2020-04-27 Thread Jun Aruga
On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 4:43 PM Andreas Tille wrote: > > Hi again, > > this brings up again my point: We *really*, *really* should take the > chance right now to ask upstreams for free licensing. The time is good. > We just need somebody who is really doing this. For us, the free licensing is go

Help for asking upstreams about free licenses urgently needed (Was: Help: Seeking source code of guppy base caller)

2020-04-27 Thread Andreas Tille
Hi again, this brings up again my point: We *really*, *really* should take the chance right now to ask upstreams for free licensing. The time is good. We just need somebody who is really doing this. Kind regards Andreas. On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 04:21:12PM +0200, Michael Crusoe wrote: >