Re: How granular should a package{,set} be?

2001-10-12 Thread Erich Schubert
Well, i think the basic principle is split everything that people might want to install independantly or that can be upgraded independantly So i think it's a good idea to enable people to install most parts of your suite, but leave the httpd away (if they want to use some other httpd etc.) I

Re: How granular should a package{,set} be?

2001-10-12 Thread Colin Walters
Erich Schubert [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, i think the basic principle is split everything that people might want to install independantly or that can be upgraded independantly Mmmm...I'd rather go for a basic principle of Use as few packages as possible, but no fewer. There's no need

Re: overwriting files

2001-10-12 Thread Geert Stappers
At 0:56 +0200 10/12/01, Gustavo Noronha Silva wrote: Em Thu, 11 Oct 2001 23:53:00 +0200 Regnat Nikolaus [EMAIL PROTECTED] escreveu: Unpacking cursorsmall (from cursorsmall_1-1_i386.deb) ... dpkg: error processing cursorsmall_1-1_i386.deb (--install): trying to overwrite

Re: overwriting files

2001-10-12 Thread Falk Hueffner
Regnat Nikolaus [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm trying to create a package which replaces the black cursor from XFree86 with a white one. Unfortunately it is not possible to install a packge which overwrites files already installed by another package. I get the following message if I try to

Re: overwriting files

2001-10-12 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Fri, Oct 12, 2001 at 01:10:47PM +0200, Falk Hueffner wrote: Packages must not overwrite other packages' files. You can perhaps use the alternatives mechanism. See update-alternatives(8). Diversions (dpkg-divert) would be appropriate in this case. Any package can divert another's files.

Re: overwriting files

2001-10-12 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h Hamish Moffatt wrote on Fri Oct 12, 2001 um 10:34:06PM: On Fri, Oct 12, 2001 at 01:10:47PM +0200, Falk Hueffner wrote: Packages must not overwrite other packages' files. You can perhaps use the alternatives mechanism. See update-alternatives(8). Diversions (dpkg-divert)

Re: How granular should a package{,set} be?

2001-10-12 Thread Erich Schubert
The upgraded independantly is a good point. As an in-development package, I wouldn't at the point be entirely happy with people running older versions if they wanted stability. You can use versioned Depends for that, if that is necessary. If not necessary, don't do this. But during heavy

Re: overwriting files

2001-10-12 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Fri, Oct 12, 2001 at 05:19:11PM +0200, Eduard Bloch wrote: Hamish Moffatt wrote on Fri Oct 12, 2001 um 10:34:06PM: Diversions (dpkg-divert) would be appropriate in this case. OTOH only one package can apply diversion on a file, this would not work with multiple packages. This method is

Re: problem with build dependencies

2001-10-12 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Fri, Oct 12, 2001 at 12:41:55AM +0200, Ralf Treinen wrote: BTW, the upstream author tried to compile his program with gcc 3.01 and did not succeed. I am not enough of an expert in C programming to solve a problem that he cannot solve. However, if anyone likes to help me on this I will be

Re: looking for a mentor

2001-10-12 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Tue, Oct 09, 2001 at 09:25:05PM -0500, Lex Spoon wrote: Hello, I've put together a couple of Debian packages, and would love to contribute them to the Debian Project. I'm willing to maintain them. However, I don't have an advocate or sponsor. Can anyone help me out? For anyone who

[RFC] Hits/directions to using autoconf and friends in Debian

2001-10-12 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
Hello developers, Attached you'll find the new README.Debian file of the autotools-dev package. Any comments/suggestions/fixes? The whole GNU autotools stuff is a hairy topic, I know... but if we don't document how to best use them (in Debian) somewhere, it will only get worse. Suggestions of

Re: [RFC] Hits/directions to using autoconf and friends in Debian

2001-10-12 Thread Steve Langasek
Henrique, (GNU makefile snippet): export DEB_HOST_GNU_TYPE ?= $(shell dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_GNU_TYPE) export DEB_BUILD_GNU_TYPE ?= $(shell dpkg-architecture -qDEB_BUILD_GNU_TYPE) ./configure --build=$(DEB_BUILD_GNU_TYPE) --host=$(DEB_HOST_GNU_TYPE) \ ... (other

Re: How granular should a package{,set} be?

2001-10-12 Thread Matthew Kirkwood
On Fri, 12 Oct 2001, Erich Schubert wrote: Well, i think the basic principle is split everything that people might want to install independantly or that can be upgraded independantly The upgraded independantly is a good point. As an in-development package, I wouldn't at the point be

Re: How granular should a package{,set} be?

2001-10-12 Thread Erich Schubert
Well, i think the basic principle is split everything that people might want to install independantly or that can be upgraded independantly So i think it's a good idea to enable people to install most parts of your suite, but leave the httpd away (if they want to use some other httpd etc.) I don't

Re: How granular should a package{,set} be?

2001-10-12 Thread Colin Walters
Erich Schubert [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, i think the basic principle is split everything that people might want to install independantly or that can be upgraded independantly Mmmm...I'd rather go for a basic principle of Use as few packages as possible, but no fewer. There's no need to

Re: overwriting files

2001-10-12 Thread Geert Stappers
At 0:56 +0200 10/12/01, Gustavo Noronha Silva wrote: Em Thu, 11 Oct 2001 23:53:00 +0200 Regnat Nikolaus [EMAIL PROTECTED] escreveu: Unpacking cursorsmall (from cursorsmall_1-1_i386.deb) ... dpkg: error processing cursorsmall_1-1_i386.deb (--install): trying to overwrite

Re: overwriting files

2001-10-12 Thread Falk Hueffner
Regnat Nikolaus [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm trying to create a package which replaces the black cursor from XFree86 with a white one. Unfortunately it is not possible to install a packge which overwrites files already installed by another package. I get the following message if I try to

Re: overwriting files

2001-10-12 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Fri, Oct 12, 2001 at 01:10:47PM +0200, Falk Hueffner wrote: Packages must not overwrite other packages' files. You can perhaps use the alternatives mechanism. See update-alternatives(8). Diversions (dpkg-divert) would be appropriate in this case. Any package can divert another's files.

[RFC] Hits/directions to using autoconf and friends in Debian

2001-10-12 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
Hello developers, Attached you'll find the new README.Debian file of the autotools-dev package. Any comments/suggestions/fixes? The whole GNU autotools stuff is a hairy topic, I know... but if we don't document how to best use them (in Debian) somewhere, it will only get worse. Suggestions of

Re: overwriting files

2001-10-12 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h Hamish Moffatt wrote on Fri Oct 12, 2001 um 10:34:06PM: On Fri, Oct 12, 2001 at 01:10:47PM +0200, Falk Hueffner wrote: Packages must not overwrite other packages' files. You can perhaps use the alternatives mechanism. See update-alternatives(8). Diversions (dpkg-divert)

Re: [RFC] Hits/directions to using autoconf and friends in Debian

2001-10-12 Thread Steve Langasek
Henrique, (GNU makefile snippet): export DEB_HOST_GNU_TYPE ?= $(shell dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_GNU_TYPE) export DEB_BUILD_GNU_TYPE ?= $(shell dpkg-architecture -qDEB_BUILD_GNU_TYPE) ./configure --build=$(DEB_BUILD_GNU_TYPE) --host=$(DEB_HOST_GNU_TYPE) \ ... (other

Re: How granular should a package{,set} be?

2001-10-12 Thread Matthew Kirkwood
On Fri, 12 Oct 2001, Erich Schubert wrote: Well, i think the basic principle is split everything that people might want to install independantly or that can be upgraded independantly The upgraded independantly is a good point. As an in-development package, I wouldn't at the point be entirely

Re: How granular should a package{,set} be?

2001-10-12 Thread Erich Schubert
The upgraded independantly is a good point. As an in-development package, I wouldn't at the point be entirely happy with people running older versions if they wanted stability. You can use versioned Depends for that, if that is necessary. If not necessary, don't do this. But during heavy

Re: overwriting files

2001-10-12 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Fri, Oct 12, 2001 at 05:19:11PM +0200, Eduard Bloch wrote: Hamish Moffatt wrote on Fri Oct 12, 2001 um 10:34:06PM: Diversions (dpkg-divert) would be appropriate in this case. OTOH only one package can apply diversion on a file, this would not work with multiple packages. This method is

Re: problem with build dependencies

2001-10-12 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Fri, Oct 12, 2001 at 12:41:55AM +0200, Ralf Treinen wrote: BTW, the upstream author tried to compile his program with gcc 3.01 and did not succeed. I am not enough of an expert in C programming to solve a problem that he cannot solve. However, if anyone likes to help me on this I will be

Re: looking for a mentor

2001-10-12 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Tue, Oct 09, 2001 at 09:25:05PM -0500, Lex Spoon wrote: Hello, I've put together a couple of Debian packages, and would love to contribute them to the Debian Project. I'm willing to maintain them. However, I don't have an advocate or sponsor. Can anyone help me out? For anyone who