Re: Asking for DMUA: Yes while seeking first sponsor

2010-06-16 Thread Alexander Reichle-Schmehl
Hi! Am 15.06.2010 21:08, schrieb Russ Allbery: The current DM implementation is weird in that it's dictated by a GR. It might be worth getting a ruling from the project secretary on whether we need another GR to change the details of it (or, better, to make the details of it up to existing

Re: Asking for DMUA: Yes while seeking first sponsor

2010-06-16 Thread Russ Allbery
Alexander Reichle-Schmehl toli...@debian.org writes: Am 15.06.2010 21:08, schrieb Russ Allbery: The current DM implementation is weird in that it's dictated by a GR. It might be worth getting a ruling from the project secretary on whether we need another GR to change the details of it (or,

Re: Asking for DMUA: Yes while seeking first sponsor

2010-06-15 Thread Jakub Wilk
* Paul Wise p...@debian.org, 2010-06-15, 10:14: I'd personally like to see DMUA move from source packages to a mail bot or LDAP or something else. Same here. While I endorse the concept of Debian Maintainers, I am very unhappy with the way it is currently implemented. -- Jakub Wilk

Re: Asking for DMUA: Yes while seeking first sponsor

2010-06-15 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 10:57:57AM +0200, Jakub Wilk a écrit : * Paul Wise p...@debian.org, 2010-06-15, 10:14: I'd personally like to see DMUA move from source packages to a mail bot or LDAP or something else. Same here. While I endorse the concept of Debian Maintainers, I am very unhappy

Re: Asking for DMUA: Yes while seeking first sponsor

2010-06-15 Thread Ben Finney
Jakub Wilk jw...@debian.org writes: * Paul Wise p...@debian.org, 2010-06-15, 10:14: I'd personally like to see DMUA move from source packages to a mail bot or LDAP or something else. Same here. While I endorse the concept of Debian Maintainers, I am very unhappy with the way it is

Re: Asking for DMUA: Yes while seeking first sponsor

2010-06-15 Thread Paul Wise
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Ben Finney ben+deb...@benfinney.id.au wrote: The field should go away and be replaced with an out-of-band setting that only a sponsor can change. Looks like there is the possibility of changing this: Ganneff feel free to give us dak patches making DM saner.

Re: Asking for DMUA: Yes while seeking first sponsor

2010-06-15 Thread David Paleino
On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 10:14:54 +0800, Paul Wise wrote: On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 12:13 AM, Alexander Reichle-Schmehl toli...@debian.org wrote: I noticed that recently some people seem to seek first time sponsors while asking for setting the DM-Upload-Allowed: yes flag at the very same time.

Re: Asking for DMUA: Yes while seeking first sponsor

2010-06-15 Thread Mathieu Malaterre
[I am a DM] Hi there, Even this is against the spirit of Debian Maintainer Concept, I believe this is because people are pragmatic. Speaking of experience I had to re-upload 5 times the exact same packages (GDCM) because in between each upload: - HPPA uploaded a Java package with dangling

Re: Asking for DMUA: Yes while seeking first sponsor

2010-06-15 Thread Hector Oron
Hello Alexander, 2010/6/14 Alexander Reichle-Schmehl toli...@debian.org: So I think asking for DMUA:Yes while seeking an initial sponsor is just plain wrong, as convincing a DD shouldn't be a one timer.  I therefore ask DMs not to ask to set this flag on the first upload, and DDs not to do

Re: Asking for DMUA: Yes while seeking first sponsor

2010-06-15 Thread Simon Richter
Hi, On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 10:14:54AM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: This isn't the only misuse of DMUA that exists, some people set it in their package instead of asking the sponsor to set it. Others go further and do not mention that in debian/changelog nor in their RFS mail. That is generally

Re: Asking for DMUA: Yes while seeking first sponsor

2010-06-15 Thread Alexander Reichle-Schmehl
Hi! Am 15.06.2010 12:16, schrieb Mathieu Malaterre: [..] [ uploading a package multiple times without DMUA:Yes] Thankfully I was under the debian-med umbrella, otherwise I would have gone mad, if every time I would have had to search for a DD. [..] Uhm... Why? I guess it's more the rule

Re: Asking for DMUA: Yes while seeking first sponsor

2010-06-15 Thread Alexander Reichle-Schmehl
Hi! Am 15.06.2010 12:16, schrieb Mathieu Malaterre: Speaking of experience I had to re-upload 5 times the exact same packages (GDCM) because in between each upload: Why 5 times? - HPPA uploaded a Java package with dangling symnlink, - arm/armel updated the java package and libraries

Re: Asking for DMUA: Yes while seeking first sponsor

2010-06-15 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2010-06-15, Paul Wise p...@debian.org wrote: This isn't the only misuse of DMUA that exists, some people set it in their package instead of asking the sponsor to set it. Others go I guess it is unimportant who exactly writes the lines to debian/control. But the sponsor should definately

Re: Asking for DMUA: Yes while seeking first sponsor

2010-06-15 Thread Piotr Ożarowski
[Mathieu Malaterre, 2010-06-15] Thankfully I was under the debian-med umbrella, otherwise I would have gone mad, if every time I would have had to search for a DD. well, it is hard indeed (if you want a new DD for every upload). Hint: try to ask previous sponsor first! I completely

Re: Asking for DMUA: Yes while seeking first sponsor

2010-06-15 Thread Piotr Ożarowski
[Simon Richter, 2010-06-15] I don't think it needs to be reflected in the changelog either, as it doesn't really concern the packaging as such, but only upload permissions (also, if I should set it, then I'd have to write the changelog entry, no?). what about other DDs? I want to have a

Re: Asking for DMUA: Yes while seeking first sponsor

2010-06-15 Thread Christoph Egger
David Paleino da...@debian.org writes: On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 10:14:54 +0800, Paul Wise wrote: On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 12:13 AM, Alexander Reichle-Schmehl toli...@debian.org wrote: I noticed that recently some people seem to seek first time sponsors while asking for setting the

Re: Asking for DMUA: Yes while seeking first sponsor

2010-06-15 Thread Christoph Egger
Alexander Reichle-Schmehl toli...@debian.org writes: [..] [ uploading a package multiple times without DMUA:Yes] Thankfully I was under the debian-med umbrella, otherwise I would have gone mad, if every time I would have had to search for a DD. [..] Uhm... Why? I guess it's more the

Re: Asking for DMUA: Yes while seeking first sponsor

2010-06-15 Thread Andres Mejia
On Tuesday 15 June 2010 05:42:43 Paul Wise wrote: On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Ben Finney ben+deb...@benfinney.id.au wrote: The field should go away and be replaced with an out-of-band setting that only a sponsor can change. Looks like there is the possibility of changing this:

Re: Asking for DMUA: Yes while seeking first sponsor

2010-06-15 Thread Russ Allbery
Paul Wise p...@debian.org writes: Ben Finney ben+deb...@benfinney.id.au wrote: The field should go away and be replaced with an out-of-band setting that only a sponsor can change. Looks like there is the possibility of changing this: Ganneff feel free to give us dak patches making DM

Asking for DMUA: Yes while seeking first sponsor

2010-06-14 Thread Alexander Reichle-Schmehl
Hi! I noticed that recently some people seem to seek first time sponsors while asking for setting the DM-Upload-Allowed: yes flag at the very same time. While I can certainly understand Maintainers want to upload their packages ASAP themselves, I would like to point out that I consider that

Re: Asking for DMUA: Yes while seeking first sponsor

2010-06-14 Thread Paul Wise
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 12:13 AM, Alexander Reichle-Schmehl toli...@debian.org wrote: I noticed that recently some people seem to seek first time sponsors while asking for setting the DM-Upload-Allowed: yes flag at the very same time. This isn't the only misuse of DMUA that exists, some