Re: Depending on an essential package

2006-11-05 Thread Florent Rougon
Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Reduces the memory wasted and speeds up processing in dpkg, dselect, > apt, aptitude, britney, ... It's also useful for simple humans looking at the dependencies of a package: having all dependencies, including those on essential packages, would c

Re: Depending on an essential package

2006-10-31 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Marc Haber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 04:33:49 -0700, Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >>The error is, if you don't *need* a specific version of the package, you >>shouldn't depend on it at /all/. Essential means it's always available, so >>there's no reason for

Re: Depending on an essential package

2006-10-30 Thread Russ Allbery
Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Mon, Oct 30, 2006 at 02:01:54PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: >> On Mon, Oct 30, 2006 at 01:59:05PM +0100, Bas Wijnen wrote: >>> Packages aren't moved out of essential. >> So you can guarantee that bash will always be essential? > I believe that we won'

Re: Depending on an essential package

2006-10-30 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Oct 30, 2006 at 02:01:54PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: > On Mon, Oct 30, 2006 at 01:59:05PM +0100, Bas Wijnen wrote: > > Packages aren't moved out of essential. > So you can guarantee that bash will always be essential? I believe that we won't ever remove *functionality* from the Essential s

Re: Depending on an essential package

2006-10-30 Thread Bas Wijnen
On Mon, Oct 30, 2006 at 02:01:54PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: > On Mon, Oct 30, 2006 at 01:59:05PM +0100, Bas Wijnen wrote: > > Packages aren't moved out of essential. > > So you can guarantee that bash will always be essential? Certainly not. :-) I'm saying that we don't plan to ever make it non-

Re: Depending on an essential package

2006-10-30 Thread Marc Haber
On Mon, Oct 30, 2006 at 01:59:05PM +0100, Bas Wijnen wrote: > Packages aren't moved out of essential. So you can guarantee that bash will always be essential? Greetings Marc -- - Marc Haber | "I don't trust Comp

Re: Depending on an essential package

2006-10-30 Thread Bas Wijnen
On Mon, Oct 30, 2006 at 01:06:08PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: > On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 04:33:49 -0700, Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >The error is, if you don't *need* a specific version of the package, you > >shouldn't depend on it at /all/. Essential means it's always available, so >

Re: Depending on an essential package

2006-10-30 Thread Marc Haber
On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 04:33:49 -0700, Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >The error is, if you don't *need* a specific version of the package, you >shouldn't depend on it at /all/. Essential means it's always available, so >there's no reason for you to depend on it. I have never understood t

Re: Depending on an essential package

2006-09-18 Thread Michael Biebl
Franz Pletz wrote: > On Mon, Sep 18, 2006 at 04:38:28PM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: >> Sometimes I wished lintian would display hints like yours and not only >> such short one liners. > > Use lintian -i for more verbose output. Mea culpa! I indeed missed -i completely. Next time I better learn ho

Re: Depending on an essential package

2006-09-18 Thread Sebastian Harl
Hi, > > Sometimes I wished lintian would display hints like yours and not only > > such short one liners. > > The same explanation that Steve gave is found in the Debian Policy > and/or the developer reference. Hopefully, you have read both of those. If you use "lintian -i" you get a more detai

Re: Depending on an essential package

2006-09-18 Thread Franz Pletz
On Mon, Sep 18, 2006 at 04:38:28PM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: > Sometimes I wished lintian would display hints like yours and not only > such short one liners. Use lintian -i for more verbose output. Cheers, Franz -- Franz Pletz \ A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. www

Re: Depending on an essential package

2006-09-18 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Mon, Sep 18, 2006 at 04:38:28PM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: > > Sounds reasonable. Thanks for the explanation. > Sometimes I wished lintian would display hints like yours and not only > such short one liners. > The same explanation that Steve gave is found in the Debian Policy and/or the deve

Re: Depending on an essential package

2006-09-18 Thread Michael Biebl
Steve Langasek wrote: > On Mon, Sep 18, 2006 at 01:29:27PM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: > >> if I add a dependency on util-linux because I need that /sbin/getty is >> installed, why must this dependency be versioned? >> If I simply add Depends: util-linux lintian complains loudly and issues >> an e

Re: Depending on an essential package

2006-09-18 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Sep 18, 2006 at 01:29:27PM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: > if I add a dependency on util-linux because I need that /sbin/getty is > installed, why must this dependency be versioned? > If I simply add Depends: util-linux lintian complains loudly and issues > an error message: > depends-on-ess

Depending on an essential package

2006-09-18 Thread Michael Biebl
Hi everybody, if I add a dependency on util-linux because I need that /sbin/getty is installed, why must this dependency be versioned? If I simply add Depends: util-linux lintian complains loudly and issues an error message: depends-on-essential-package-without-using-version depends: util-linux I