Re: Moving /home of a package account, and to where?

2012-07-02 Thread Marc Haber
On Mon, Jul 02, 2012 at 10:03:08PM +1000, Sven Dowideit wrote: On 02/07/12 02:03, Marc Haber wrote: I am really really astonished about with which ease we hurl RC bugs at packages without having thought-out alternatives. Would it not be better to reject the Debian QA 'suggestion' until such

Re: Moving /home of a package account, and to where?

2012-07-02 Thread Marc Haber
On Sun, Jul 01, 2012 at 07:53:04PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: It would indeed be best if everything possible was documented, but very few people volunteer to do the work to drive changes to the documentation through to completion. This is partly because of the kind-of heavy-handed policy

Re: Moving /home of a package account, and to where?

2012-07-02 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Mon, 02 Jul 2012, Marc Haber wrote: On Sun, Jul 01, 2012 at 07:53:04PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: It would indeed be best if everything possible was documented, but very few people volunteer to do the work to drive changes to the documentation through to completion. This is partly

Re: Moving /home of a package account, and to where?

2012-07-02 Thread Russ Allbery
Marc Haber mh+debian-ment...@zugschlus.de writes: On Sun, Jul 01, 2012 at 07:53:04PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: It would indeed be best if everything possible was documented, but very few people volunteer to do the work to drive changes to the documentation through to completion. This is

Moving /home of a package account, and to where?

2012-07-01 Thread Marc Haber
Hi, Debian QA decided recently that it is bad to have a system/package account created with its home directory in /home/package, as it is adduser --system's default btw. I am therefore faced with having to change /home to some non-/home place. Unfortunately, policy does not give any hint about

Re: Moving /home of a package account, and to where?

2012-07-01 Thread Roger Leigh
On Sun, Jul 01, 2012 at 12:44:48PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote: Hi, Debian QA decided recently that it is bad to have a system/package account created with its home directory in /home/package, as it is adduser --system's default btw. I am therefore faced with having to change /home to some

Re: Moving /home of a package account, and to where?

2012-07-01 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Marc Haber mh+debian-ment...@zugschlus.de writes: Hi, Debian QA decided recently that it is bad to have a system/package account created with its home directory in /home/package, as it is adduser --system's default btw. I am therefore faced with having to change /home to some non-/home

Re: Moving /home of a package account, and to where?

2012-07-01 Thread Marc Haber
On Sun, Jul 01, 2012 at 01:04:17PM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: On Sun, Jul 01, 2012 at 12:44:48PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote: Debian QA decided recently that it is bad to have a system/package account created with its home directory in /home/package, as it is adduser --system's default btw. I am

Re: Moving /home of a package account, and to where?

2012-07-01 Thread Marc Haber
On Sun, Jul 01, 2012 at 02:53:20PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: If you need configuration files (which the user is supposed to edit as supposed to calling some config tool) in the users home directory and also automatically changing files then I'm afraid you will need to use both /etc

Re: Moving /home of a package account, and to where?

2012-07-01 Thread Roger Leigh
On Sun, Jul 01, 2012 at 02:56:13PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote: On Sun, Jul 01, 2012 at 01:04:17PM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: On Sun, Jul 01, 2012 at 12:44:48PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote: Debian QA decided recently that it is bad to have a system/package account created with its home directory

Re: Moving /home of a package account, and to where?

2012-07-01 Thread Marc Haber
On Sun, Jul 01, 2012 at 02:29:05PM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: On Sun, Jul 01, 2012 at 02:56:13PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote: On Sun, Jul 01, 2012 at 01:04:17PM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: On Sun, Jul 01, 2012 at 12:44:48PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote: Debian QA decided recently that it is bad to

Re: Moving /home of a package account, and to where?

2012-07-01 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Sun, 01 Jul 2012, Marc Haber wrote: Yes, but it's user configuration not system configuration. A system user's .ssh is user configuration? If it is intended to be manipulated by the local admin, yes, and it would belong in /etc somewhere. If you do want to have that as configuration in

Re: Moving /home of a package account, and to where?

2012-07-01 Thread Marc Haber
On Sun, Jul 01, 2012 at 12:36:41PM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: On Sun, 01 Jul 2012, Marc Haber wrote: Yes, but it's user configuration not system configuration. A system user's .ssh is user configuration? If it is intended to be manipulated by the local admin, yes, and it

Re: Moving /home of a package account, and to where?

2012-07-01 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Sun, 01 Jul 2012, Marc Haber wrote: On Sun, Jul 01, 2012 at 12:36:41PM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: On Sun, 01 Jul 2012, Marc Haber wrote: Yes, but it's user configuration not system configuration. A system user's .ssh is user configuration? If it is intended to

Re: Moving /home of a package account, and to where?

2012-07-01 Thread Sven Dowideit
On 02/07/12 02:03, Marc Haber wrote: I am really really astonished about with which ease we hurl RC bugs at packages without having thought-out alternatives. Would it not be better to reject the Debian QA 'suggestion' until such time as its documented thoroughly in the Packaging manual? I'm a

Re: Moving /home of a package account, and to where?

2012-07-01 Thread Russ Allbery
Sven Dowideit svendowid...@home.org.au writes: On 02/07/12 02:03, Marc Haber wrote: I am really really astonished about with which ease we hurl RC bugs at packages without having thought-out alternatives. Would it not be better to reject the Debian QA 'suggestion' until such time as its

Re: Moving /home of a package account, and to where?

2012-07-01 Thread Sven Dowideit
On 02/07/12 12:53, Russ Allbery wrote: Sven Dowideitsvendowid...@home.org.au writes: On 02/07/12 02:03, Marc Haber wrote: I am really really astonished about with which ease we hurl RC bugs at packages without having thought-out alternatives. Would it not be better to reject the Debian QA

Re: Moving /home of a package account, and to where?

2012-07-01 Thread Sven Dowideit
Sorry, I wanted to be constructive: IMO, if a maintainer of a package isn't sure how to address a policy request, I believe the best response is to reject/park the issue, pending a separate discussion and adding of the needed details to policy (or appendices etc). The reason I feel this