Question about linux-wlan-ng-firmware in main

2006-05-28 Thread Enrico Tassi
Could you please examine this bts entry and give me suggestions. Please CC me, since I'm not subscribed. Regards. - Forwarded message from Enrico Tassi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - From: Enrico Tassi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Dylan Thurston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-PTS-Package: l

Re: Question about linux-wlan-ng-firmware in main

2006-05-29 Thread Simon Richter
Hi, As I understand it, the sole purpose of this package is to download non-free firmware. This fits into 'contrib', not 'main', since it depends on non-free software for its ultimate operation. Packages like this are given as an example of packages for contrib. From Policy 2.2.2: Hm, that

Re: Question about linux-wlan-ng-firmware in main

2006-05-29 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Simon Richter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hi, > >>>As I understand it, the sole purpose of this package is to download >>>non-free firmware. This fits into 'contrib', not 'main', since it >>>depends on non-free software for its ultimate operation. Packages >>>like this are given as an example

Re: Question about linux-wlan-ng-firmware in main

2006-05-29 Thread Enrico Tassi
On Mon, May 29, 2006 at 09:40:01PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Simon Richter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Hi, > > > >>>As I understand it, the sole purpose of this package is to download > >>>non-free firmware. This fits into 'contrib', not 'main', since it > >>>depends on non-free

Re: Question about linux-wlan-ng-firmware in main

2006-05-30 Thread Simon Richter
Hi, Goswin von Brederlow schrieb: But does it have any use without the non-free firmware? Only then can you close an eye and let it stay in main due to its other functions. Yes: Loading free firmware. Whether such a thing exists is largely irrelevant; for the loader, it is just data, and we

Re: Question about linux-wlan-ng-firmware in main

2006-05-30 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Simon Richter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hi, > > Goswin von Brederlow schrieb: > >> But does it have any use without the non-free firmware? Only then can >> you close an eye and let it stay in main due to its other functions. > > Yes: Loading free firmware. Whether such a thing exists is largel

Re: Question about linux-wlan-ng-firmware in main

2006-05-30 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Tue, 30 May 2006, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > > A downloader package is a bit of grey area; much like a typical > > "contrib" package, it has some more-or-less hardcoded string that > > points to non-free data; it does not, however, depend on anything > > outside of main to function (since mai

Re: Question about linux-wlan-ng-firmware in main

2006-05-30 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Raphael Hertzog said: > Contrib is effectively meant for wrapper on non-free stuff. But contrib is > really needed when the wrapper stuff is the *main purpose* of the package. > > In the case concerning us, we have 10 lines of DFSG-free code that can be > used to downl

Re: Question about linux-wlan-ng-firmware in main

2006-05-30 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Tue, 30 May 2006, Stephen Gran wrote: > Can't you just ship those ten lines in contrib, and the rest in main? > This may be archive bloat, but surely it's arch:all, so that minimizes > the bloat at least. I am not over fond of the freer-than-free holy > wars, but it does seem like this script i

Re: Question about linux-wlan-ng-firmware in main

2006-05-30 Thread Frank Küster
Stephen Gran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> In fact, I go even further: I wish that the package use a low-priority >> debconf question (defaulting to "do not download") to let the user execute >> the wrapper at installation time. Of course, the question should warn the >> user that he's about to do

Re: Question about linux-wlan-ng-firmware in main

2006-05-30 Thread Bas Wijnen
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 03:26:56PM +0200, Frank K?ster wrote: > No, it wasn't. As long as I can remember, packages which contained a > small part of contrib material, which was not crucial for the function > of the package as a whole, can go to main. Look at the policy: > > , 2.2.1 The main

Re: Question about linux-wlan-ng-firmware in main

2006-05-30 Thread Frank Küster
Bas Wijnen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 03:26:56PM +0200, Frank K?ster wrote: >> No, it wasn't. As long as I can remember, packages which contained a >> small part of contrib material, which was not crucial for the function >> of the package as a whole, can go to main. Lo

Re: Question about linux-wlan-ng-firmware in main

2006-05-30 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Frank Küster said: > Stephen Gran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Can't you just ship those ten lines in contrib, and the rest in main? > > This may be archive bloat, but surely it's arch:all, so that minimizes > > the bloat at least. I am not over fond of the freer-tha

Re: Question about linux-wlan-ng-firmware in main

2006-06-03 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Frank Küster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Bas Wijnen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 03:26:56PM +0200, Frank K?ster wrote: >>> No, it wasn't. As long as I can remember, packages which contained a >>> small part of contrib material, which was not crucial for the function >

Re: Question about linux-wlan-ng-firmware in main

2006-06-04 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Tue, 30 May 2006, Bas Wijnen wrote: > Packages containing some contrib material, without which the package functions > well, can indeed go in main AFAIK. Yes. That's enough. If you agree on that why do you need after that to find a complicated explication on why finally this is not OK ? > Howe

Re: Question about linux-wlan-ng-firmware in main

2006-06-08 Thread Bas Wijnen
On Sun, Jun 04, 2006 at 12:56:05PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > On Tue, 30 May 2006, Bas Wijnen wrote: > > Packages containing some contrib material, without which the package > > functions well, can indeed go in main AFAIK. > > Yes. That's enough. If you agree on that why do you need after tha

Re: Question about linux-wlan-ng-firmware in main

2006-06-08 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Thu, 08 Jun 2006, Bas Wijnen wrote: > Because the package (as I understood it, I don't actually know the package) > doesn't actually function at all for some people. That's not because they > aren't interested in it, it's because they need non-free stuff to make it > work. Indeed and our job i

Re: Question about linux-wlan-ng-firmware in main

2006-06-08 Thread Bas Wijnen
On Thu, Jun 08, 2006 at 05:20:44PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > On Thu, 08 Jun 2006, Bas Wijnen wrote: > > Because the package (as I understood it, I don't actually know the package) > > doesn't actually function at all for some people. That's not because they > > aren't interested in it, it's

Re: Question about linux-wlan-ng-firmware in main

2006-06-08 Thread Frank Küster
Bas Wijnen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > I wasn't suggesting a new source package. I assumed (and this has been >> > confirmed in this thread) that it is possible to create a contrib binary >> > package from a source package in main. >> >> Where has this been confirmed? > > I've seen a respons

Re: Question about linux-wlan-ng-firmware in main

2006-06-08 Thread Florent Rougon
Bas Wijnen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Not at all, I am entirely looking at it from a user's perspective, in > particular a user which doesn't want non-free software (those people are the > reason contrib and non-free exist, so it seems appropriate to look especially > at them). No, there is a m

Re: Question about linux-wlan-ng-firmware in main

2006-06-08 Thread Adeodato Simó
tag 368857 patch thanks * Enrico Tassi [Sun, 28 May 2006 13:44:57 +0200]: Hello Enrico (and Victor), > Could you please examine this bts entry and give me suggestions. > Please CC me, since I'm not subscribed. So there was a 20-message long thread in -mentors, but you were dropped from CC when