Hi,
On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 10:49:41PM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
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Only during a freeze ends up meaning six months or longer. You
think that's a short time? It's one full Ubuntu release cycle!
There's no reason Debian freezes must last six months or longer. Still, even
at
On 11/10/10 at 09:14 -0700, PJ Weisberg wrote:
2010/10/11 Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso jord...@gmail.com:
Why do fixes to testing have to go through unstable, even during freeze
time?
Because a lot more people use Unstable than use Testing
Citation needed.
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Am 13.10.2010 15:11, schrieb Lucas Nussbaum:
On 11/10/10 at 09:14 -0700, PJ Weisberg wrote:
2010/10/11 Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso jord...@gmail.com:
Why do fixes to testing have to go through unstable, even during freeze
time?
Because a lot more people use Unstable than use Testing
Hi!
Am 13.10.2010 16:05, schrieb Alexander Reichle-Schmehl:
Why do fixes to testing have to go through unstable, even during freeze
time?
Because a lot more people use Unstable than use Testing
Citation needed.
Looking at http://popcon.debian.org/ , I see 21548 reports for the
Version in
On 11 October 2010 19:02, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote:
Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso jord...@gmail.com writes:
The *real* problem is that labelling Firefox 3.6 as experimental is
downright silly.
Hm, okay. I guess I'm not feeling particularly inspired to do any work
based on that
Hi,
Le 12/10/10 15:55, Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso a écrit :
[standard rambling about how freeze slows down unstable development]
I know it's pretty useless to participate in this sort of conversation,
but conversation is not about being useful, right?
unstable again is again used as it should be
On Tue, 12 Oct 2010 08:55:11 -0500, Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso wrote:
On 11 October 2010 19:02, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote:
Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso jord...@gmail.com writes:
The *real* problem is that labelling Firefox 3.6 as experimental is
downright silly.
Hm, okay. I guess
Il giorno mar, 12/10/2010 alle 08.55 -0500, Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso ha
scritto:
On 11 October 2010 19:02, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote:
Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso jord...@gmail.com writes:
The *real* problem is that labelling Firefox 3.6 as experimental is
downright silly.
Hm,
On 12 October 2010 09:24, Thibaut Paumard mlotpot.n...@free.fr wrote:
[standard response without actually reading what is being replied to]
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2010/10/12 Pietro Battiston m...@pietrobattiston.it:
But before this conversation goes on forever - which is tipically what
happens when people think they are debating on methods and techniques
while instead they diverge on motivations - does the following satisfy
you:
I just realised, the packages I'm complaining about are essentially
squeeze backports. That is, they're packages that the packager wishes
could have gone into squeeze but can't because of the freeze, so they
go into experimental instead.
Would it make sense then to start $x-backports as soon as
Il giorno mar, 12/10/2010 alle 13.59 -0500, Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso ha
scritto:
2010/10/12 Pietro Battiston m...@pietrobattiston.it:
But before this conversation goes on forever - which is tipically what
happens when people think they are debating on methods and techniques
while instead
On Tue, 12 Oct 2010 14:44:51 -0500, Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso wrote:
I just realised, the packages I'm complaining about are essentially
squeeze backports. That is, they're packages that the packager wishes
could have gone into squeeze but can't because of the freeze, so they
go into
Firstly, this discussion is extremely off-topic on debian-mentors,
debian-project would have been a better choice.
2010/10/12 Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso jord...@gmail.com:
Now, experimental by default is pinned to lowest priority, and in the
meantime, during the freeze, your friendly packager is
In aanlktin9bpb_w2ftgpkfqpzzj7rwybzedsvjowqkr...@mail.gmail.com, Jordi
Gutiérrez Hermoso wrote:
I just realised, the packages I'm complaining about are essentially
squeeze backports. That is, they're packages that the packager wishes
could have gone into squeeze but can't because of the freeze,
On 7 October 2010 14:06, Joachim Reichel joachim.reic...@gmx.de wrote:
I guess what Christoph meant is the following: if you upload 1.45 to unstable
you block this way for fixes to 1.44 in testing (and the RM will most probably
not allow 1.45 to migrate to testing).
You could upload 1.45 to
Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso jord...@gmail.com writes:
Does it have to be this way? Why do fixes to testing have to go
through unstable, even during freeze time?
Because otherwise there isn't any good way to test them with a reasonably
large user base, which is even *more* important during the
2010/10/11 Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso jord...@gmail.com:
Why do fixes to testing have to go through unstable, even during freeze time?
Because a lot more people use Unstable than use Testing, so
(ironically) Unstable is a better place to do testing.
Why does experimental become the new unstable
In aanlktimbzn8d2mekpxx6q1sa0hong21two0rhfkop...@mail.gmail.com, Jordi
Gutiérrez Hermoso wrote:
On 7 October 2010 14:06, Joachim Reichel joachim.reic...@gmx.de wrote:
I guess what Christoph meant is the following: if you upload 1.45 to
unstable you block this way for fixes to 1.44 in testing
On 11 October 2010 12:11, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. b...@iguanasuicide.net wrote:
I disagree that *any* package based on a new upstream release is *known* to be
less buggy than the existing package,
Good, so do I, but in this case, cppcheck is a very infrequently used
Debian package, and it's used
Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso jord...@gmail.com writes:
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. b...@iguanasuicide.net wrote:
It gets used as unstable+1 during the freeze, since there's no better
place.
So why not create a better place?
What specifically is wrong with experimental? In other words, what
problem
In aanlktikwokffmtyfhi-yy7j=_fx8_44wbcbu3vcc6...@mail.gmail.com, Jordi
Gutiérrez Hermoso wrote:
On 11 October 2010 12:11, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. b...@iguanasuicide.net
wrote:
In aanlktimbzn8d2mekpxx6q1sa0hong21two0rhfkop...@mail.gmail.com, Jordi
Gutiérrez Hermoso wrote:
Does it have to be this
On 11 October 2010 20:28, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. b...@iguanasuicide.net wrote:
In aanlktikwokffmtyfhi-yy7j=_fx8_44wbcbu3vcc6...@mail.gmail.com, Jordi
Gutiérrez Hermoso wrote:
On 11 October 2010 12:11, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. b...@iguanasuicide.net
wrote:
It gets used as unstable+1 during the
On 11 October 2010 20:01, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote:
Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso jord...@gmail.com writes:
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. b...@iguanasuicide.net wrote:
It gets used as unstable+1 during the freeze, since there's no better
place.
So why not create a better place?
What
On Tue, 12 Oct 2010, Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso wrote:
On 11 October 2010 20:28, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. b...@iguanasuicide.net wrote:
In aanlktikwokffmtyfhi-yy7j=_fx8_44wbcbu3vcc6...@mail.gmail.com, Jordi
Gutiérrez Hermoso wrote:
On 11 October 2010 12:11, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso jord...@gmail.com writes:
So the promises implied by the spectrum of answers to do you want it
new, xor do you want it stable? gets broken during freeze time because
the usual place to upload untested software is occupied by the freeze
cycle.
Oh, so the specific
.On 12 October 2010 01:02, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote:
Oh, so the specific problem that you're trying to fix is that you, as an
unstable user, aren't getting software that you would like to be using
because unstable is being used for a different purpose during the freeze?
I guess so,
Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso jord...@gmail.com writes:
I guess so, although I don't personally even use unstable myself for the
aforementioned reasons. However, unstable is used as the desktop
version of Debian by a large number of users, and the awkward
development it gets during freeze time is
On Monday, October 11, 2010 17:01:16 you wrote:
On 11 October 2010 20:28, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. b...@iguanasuicide.net
wrote:
In aanlktikwokffmtyfhi-yy7j=_fx8_44wbcbu3vcc6...@mail.gmail.com, Jordi
Gutiérrez Hermoso wrote:
On 11 October 2010 12:11, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. b...@iguanasuicide.net
On Mon, 11 Oct 2010, Russ Allbery wrote:
Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso jord...@gmail.com writes:
I guess so, although I don't personally even use unstable myself for the
aforementioned reasons. However, unstable is used as the desktop
version of Debian by a large number of users, and the awkward
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Asheesh Laroia ashe...@asheesh.org wrote:
* Firefox 3.6 has faster JavaScript, which is the difference between this
page being usable, and it not: http://openhatch.org/people/. (Admittedly
that's a site under my control, so I can improve it; but there are
On Tue, 12 Oct 2010, Paul Wise wrote:
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Asheesh Laroia ashe...@asheesh.org wrote:
* Firefox 3.6 has faster JavaScript, which is the difference between this
page being usable, and it not: http://openhatch.org/people/. (Admittedly
that's a site under my control,
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