Re: What to do if the upstream keeps debian directory in original tarball?

2006-02-07 Thread Stan Vasilyev
On Tuesday 07 February 2006 13:15, Jari Aalto wrote: > Is the upstream using a VCS? (Version control software)? > > 1) If he is, can he grant you a direct write access. That would be the >    easiest. > > 2) Can he be persuaded into using distributed SCM[1]? That way both of >    you can synchroniz

Re: What to do if the upstream keeps debian directory in original tarball?

2006-02-07 Thread Jari Aalto
Stan Vasilyev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I have a situation with a Debian package xdialog: > http://packages.qa.debian.org/x/xdialog.html > > The upstream author, Thierry Godefroy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, insists on keeping > the debian changes inside the upstream tarball, orig.tar.gz. This > com

Re: What to do if the upstream keeps debian directory in original tarball?

2006-01-29 Thread Mark Brown
On Sat, Jan 28, 2006 at 01:04:49PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > If they feel the need to do it themselves, make sure they have all 12 > architectures, for each of unstable, testing, stable, and oldstable, > and file bugs when packages aren't kept up to date. > :) Restricting themselves to th

Re: What to do if the upstream keeps debian directory in original tarball?

2006-01-28 Thread justin
On Sat, Jan 28, 2006 at 07:02:26PM +0100, Thomas Viehmann wrote: > Mark Brown wrote: > > That's not their home page which is what they want: if they were happy > > for people to go elsewhere for their packages they wouldn't be doing > > things like building packages for distributions they don't eve

Re: What to do if the upstream keeps debian directory in original tarball?

2006-01-28 Thread Thomas Viehmann
Mark Brown wrote: > That's not their home page which is what they want: if they were happy > for people to go elsewhere for their packages they wouldn't be doing > things like building packages for distributions they don't even have > installed. IME most projects are perfectly content to point to

Re: What to do if the upstream keeps debian directory in original tarball?

2006-01-28 Thread Mark Brown
On Wed, Jan 25, 2006 at 11:17:09PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach Mark Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.01.24.2229 +0100]: > > People sometimes do this so they can ship something targetted at stable > > (one of my upstreams insists on doing this and also doesn't want to use > > any Deb

Re: [Update] Re: What to do if the upstream keeps debian directory in original tarball?

2006-01-27 Thread Daniel Leidert
Am Donnerstag, den 26.01.2006, 19:30 -0800 schrieb Stan Vasilyev: > On Tuesday 24 January 2006 13:14, Stan Vasilyev wrote: > > I have a situation with a Debian package xdialog: > > http://packages.qa.debian.org/x/xdialog.html > > > > The upstream author, Thierry Godefroy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, insist

Re: [Update] Re: What to do if the upstream keeps debian directory in original tarball?

2006-01-27 Thread Bas Wijnen
On Thu, Jan 26, 2006 at 07:30:22PM -0800, Stan Vasilyev wrote: > From the last e-mail I got from Thierry it looks like he wants to make a > compromise. Since I annoyed him so much with my e-mails, he proposed to start > releasing Xdialog in two versions: Xdialog-version.tar.bz2 file with debian

[Update] Re: What to do if the upstream keeps debian directory in original tarball?

2006-01-26 Thread Stan Vasilyev
On Tuesday 24 January 2006 13:14, Stan Vasilyev wrote: > I have a situation with a Debian package xdialog: > http://packages.qa.debian.org/x/xdialog.html > > The upstream author, Thierry Godefroy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, insists on keeping > the debian changes inside the upstream tarball, orig.tar.gz.

Re: What to do if the upstream keeps debian directory in original tarball?

2006-01-26 Thread martin f krafft
Please do not CC people on Debian mailinglists unless specifically requested! also sprach skaller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.01.26.0146 +0100]: > Some old version of it is anyhow :) This is entirely up to the maintainer. And there is backports.org -- Please do not send copies of list mail to me;

Re: What to do if the upstream keeps debian directory in original tarball?

2006-01-25 Thread skaller
On Wed, 2006-01-25 at 23:17 +0100, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach Stan Vasilyev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.01.24.2214 +0100]: > > I tried convincing the upstream to remove the debian directory, but so far > > he > > refused. His argument is that a user should be able to download his tarball

Re: What to do if the upstream keeps debian directory in original tarball?

2006-01-25 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Stan Vasilyev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.01.24.2214 +0100]: > I tried convincing the upstream to remove the debian directory, but so far he > refused. His argument is that a user should be able to download his tarball > and build it from source, build an rpm package or build a deb pack

Re: What to do if the upstream keeps debian directory in original tarball?

2006-01-25 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Mark Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.01.24.2229 +0100]: > People sometimes do this so they can ship something targetted at stable > (one of my upstreams insists on doing this and also doesn't want to use > any Debian tools since they don't run Debian). backports.org > "You grabbed my

Re: What to do if the upstream keeps debian directory in original tarball?

2006-01-25 Thread Justin Pryzby
On Tue, Jan 24, 2006 at 09:53:19PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: > Martin Meredith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Why not just work with upstream as you seem to be doing - and when the > > packagings done - download it ... and upload as a debian native package? > > > Surely if upstream keep a deb

Re: What to do if the upstream keeps debian directory in original tarball?

2006-01-24 Thread Russ Allbery
Martin Meredith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Why not just work with upstream as you seem to be doing - and when the > packagings done - download it ... and upload as a debian native package? > Surely if upstream keep a debian/ directory in the tarball then it would > automatically be assumed as

Re: What to do if the upstream keeps debian directory in original tarball?

2006-01-24 Thread Russ Allbery
Stan Vasilyev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tuesday 24 January 2006 13:52, Russ Allbery wrote: >> Why?  Do you have to remove some files for DFSG-compliance? > Sorry, what I meant was my orig.tar.gz ends up being the pre-release > version, not the official version released on the website. Thi

Re: What to do if the upstream keeps debian directory in original tarball?

2006-01-24 Thread Martin Meredith
Why not just work with upstream as you seem to be doing - and when the packagings done - download it ... and upload as a debian native package? Surely if upstream keep a debian/ directory in the tarball then it would automatically be assumed as a debian native package? Get the pre-release, make i

Re: What to do if the upstream keeps debian directory in original tarball?

2006-01-24 Thread Stan Vasilyev
On Tuesday 24 January 2006 13:52, Russ Allbery wrote: > > But I end up repackaging the upstream source anyway.  The .orig.tar.gz > > is not the same file that Thierry puts on his website. > > Why?  Do you have to remove some files for DFSG-compliance? Sorry, what I meant was my orig.tar.gz ends up

Re: What to do if the upstream keeps debian directory in original tarball?

2006-01-24 Thread Stan Vasilyev
On Tuesday 24 January 2006 13:52, Daniel Leidert wrote: > Maybe you should also > tell him, that not every user getting the upstream sources may be happy > with your packaging files (e.g. because of your decision of > (build-)dependencies and configure options, different available library > versio

Re: What to do if the upstream keeps debian directory in original tarball?

2006-01-24 Thread Rakotomandimby Mihamina
On Tue, 2006-01-24 at 13:23 -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: > What I would do if I were you would be to make the changes you need to > make to the upstream debian directory to have the package work the way > that it should and send the diffs back to upstream as a courtesy, but > not wait for a new upstr

Re: What to do if the upstream keeps debian directory in original tarball?

2006-01-24 Thread Daniel Leidert
Am Dienstag, den 24.01.2006, 13:14 -0800 schrieb Stan Vasilyev: > I have a situation with a Debian package xdialog: > http://packages.qa.debian.org/x/xdialog.html > > The upstream author, Thierry Godefroy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, insists on keeping > the debian changes inside the upstream tarball, o

Re: What to do if the upstream keeps debian directory in original tarball?

2006-01-24 Thread Russ Allbery
Stan Vasilyev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tuesday 24 January 2006 13:23, Russ Allbery wrote: >> What I would do if I were you would be to make the changes you need to >> make to the upstream debian directory to have the package work the way >> that it should and send the diffs back to upstrea

Re: What to do if the upstream keeps debian directory in original tarball?

2006-01-24 Thread Stan Vasilyev
On Tuesday 24 January 2006 13:23, Russ Allbery wrote: > > What I would do if I were you would be to make the changes you need to > make to the upstream debian directory to have the package work the way > that it should and send the diffs back to upstream as a courtesy, but not > wait for a new upst

Re: What to do if the upstream keeps debian directory in original tarball?

2006-01-24 Thread Mark Brown
On Tue, Jan 24, 2006 at 01:23:34PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: > Yeah, I agree with your general argument, but I can also see where he's > coming from. He's applying the RPM model where this is how people > normally handle RPMs of software that Red Hat itself isn't maintaining. > He probably doesn

Re: What to do if the upstream keeps debian directory in original tarball?

2006-01-24 Thread Russ Allbery
Stan Vasilyev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I have a situation with a Debian package xdialog: > http://packages.qa.debian.org/x/xdialog.html > The upstream author, Thierry Godefroy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, insists on > keeping the debian changes inside the upstream tarball, orig.tar.gz. > This compl

What to do if the upstream keeps debian directory in original tarball?

2006-01-24 Thread Stan Vasilyev
I have a situation with a Debian package xdialog: http://packages.qa.debian.org/x/xdialog.html The upstream author, Thierry Godefroy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, insists on keeping the debian changes inside the upstream tarball, orig.tar.gz. This complicates the development process. First of all, when