what if upstream provides debian build directory

2011-03-18 Thread Harald Dunkel
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi folks, What is Debian's policy, if upstream provides its own debian directory or package build procedure? Is upstream always right? Does or should this source package become a native package? How do I include patches? What if upstream's package

Re: what if upstream provides debian build directory

2011-03-18 Thread Don Armstrong
On Fri, 18 Mar 2011, Harald Dunkel wrote: What is Debian's policy, if upstream provides its own debian directory or package build procedure? Is upstream always right? There's no official policy, but generally speaking, you should use a non-native package. The one exception to this is a case

Re: what if upstream provides debian build directory

2011-03-18 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 12:41:00PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: You can also suggest to upstream that they include the debian directory in a examples directory or similar, so that it doesn't get in the way of packaging (or just not distribute it in the main package at all.) See also

Re: what if upstream provides debian build directory

2011-03-18 Thread Harald Jenny
On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 08:21:44PM +0100, Harald Dunkel wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi folks, Hi Harald What is Debian's policy, if upstream provides its own debian directory or package build procedure? Is upstream always right? I guess it depends on how usable

Re: what if upstream provides debian build directory

2011-03-18 Thread The Fungi
On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 08:21:44PM +0100, Harald Dunkel wrote: What is Debian's policy, if upstream provides its own debian directory or package build procedure? [...] Of course I checked Debian's Policy Manual, but AFAICS this subject has been successfully ignored by now. Any helpful comment

Re: what if upstream provides debian build directory

2011-03-18 Thread Harald Jenny
On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 12:41:00PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: On Fri, 18 Mar 2011, Harald Dunkel wrote: What is Debian's policy, if upstream provides its own debian directory or package build procedure? Is upstream always right? There's no official policy, but generally speaking, you

Re: what if upstream provides debian build directory

2011-03-18 Thread Harald Jenny
On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 12:44:14AM +0500, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 12:41:00PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: You can also suggest to upstream that they include the debian directory in a examples directory or similar, so that it doesn't get in the way of packaging (or

Re: what if upstream provides debian build directory

2011-03-18 Thread Harald Jenny
On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 07:46:46PM +, The Fungi wrote: On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 08:21:44PM +0100, Harald Dunkel wrote: What is Debian's policy, if upstream provides its own debian directory or package build procedure? [...] Of course I checked Debian's Policy Manual, but AFAICS this

Re: what if upstream provides debian build directory

2011-03-18 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2011-03-18, Harald Dunkel ha...@afaics.de wrote: Is upstream always right? The general answer here is 'no, upstream is never right, but often they can be educated' (when coming to packaging ideas and such) /Sune -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-mentors-requ...@lists.debian.org with a

Re: what if upstream provides debian build directory

2011-03-18 Thread Adam Borowski
On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 07:46:46PM +, The Fungi wrote: On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 08:21:44PM +0100, Harald Dunkel wrote: What is Debian's policy, if upstream provides its own debian directory or package build procedure? Not ignored at all... maintainers who find an upstream debian

Re: what if upstream provides debian build directory

2011-03-18 Thread Harald Dunkel
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/18/11 20:57, Harald Jenny wrote: On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 07:46:46PM +, The Fungi wrote: Not ignored at all... maintainers who find an upstream debian directory getting in the way (and who are unable to successfully convince upstream of

Re: what if upstream provides debian build directory

2011-03-18 Thread Harald Dunkel
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/18/11 21:13, Adam Borowski wrote: The 3.0 format has a number of upsides and one downside: quilt. Sadly, the variants are only 3.0 (native) which doesn't apply and 3.0 (quilt). The latter interacts disastrously with keeping the packaging

Re: what if upstream provides debian build directory

2011-03-18 Thread Russ Allbery
Adam Borowski kilob...@angband.pl writes: The 3.0 format has a number of upsides and one downside: quilt. Sadly, the variants are only 3.0 (native) which doesn't apply and 3.0 (quilt). The latter interacts disastrously with keeping the packaging under version control -- and the very idea of