Re: On Bruce Perens and Dave Cinege, etc.

1997-10-27 Thread Richard Braakman
M W Blunier wrote: > On 27 Oct 1997, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > > > > What problems are term limits supposed to solve, exactly? > > They prevent the voters from re-electing someone that due to his > entrenchment in the system, has more power than a freshman would > have. Greedy and self se

Re: On Bruce Perens and Dave Cinege, etc.

1997-10-27 Thread M W Blunier
On 27 Oct 1997, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > What problems are term limits supposed to solve, exactly? They prevent the voters from re-electing someone that due to his entrenchment in the system, has more power than a freshman would have. Greedy and self serving voters vote for the incumba

term limits

1997-10-27 Thread Bruce Perens
From: Britton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I just don't see the point in making the process of succession so > competitive. It depends if you want the project leader choice to be democratic or not. If it's going to be democratic, there _has_ to be competition. Thanks Bruce -- Can you g

Re: On Bruce Perens and Dave Cinege, etc.

1997-10-27 Thread Britton
On Mon, 27 Oct 1997, Syrus Nemat-Nasser wrote: > On Mon, 27 Oct 1997, Richard G. Roberto wrote: > > [snip] > > PROPOSAL FOR TERM LIMITS > > > > I propose that all elected posts in the Debian organization > > be subject to the following term limits: I actually like this proposal. I have no pr

Re: PAM support in Samba

1997-10-27 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, If this is a thrust for consensus building, then I state that I like PAM. People very interested in implementing security for financial institutions have selected PAM; I think we'll benefit from using it. manoj -- Facts are God's arguments, we should be careful never to

Re: New filesystem standard - do we want it ?

1997-10-27 Thread Fabrizio Polacco
Santiago Vila Doncel wrote: > > Fabrizio Polacco wrote: > > Yes, make this symlink (ln -s ../share/doc /usr/doc) on freshly > > installed systems (where /usr/share/docs will really exist), while > > make the opposite (ln -s ../../doc /usr/share/doc) on existing > > systems (where /usr/doc is still

Re: libtool and it's use of -rpath

1997-10-27 Thread Christian Schwarz
On Thu, 23 Oct 1997, David Engel wrote: [snip] > I suggest we modify libtool for Debian to not use -rpath. Comments? Yes, I think this would be good. I don't know the `-rpath' option of ld much, so please correct me if I'm wrong. Is it true that we don't need this option at all? If so, we shou

Re: PAM support in Samba

1997-10-27 Thread Christian Schwarz
On Wed, 22 Oct 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] > I suggested PAM support as a goal for 2.0; as such it has gone into Brian C. > White's "Upcoming Debian Releases" document ( > http://www.debian.org/Lists-Archives/debian-devel-9709/msg00042.html > is there a permanent web location??). > > I l

on term limits

1997-10-27 Thread Bruce Perens
Richard thinks I'm a putz? I am struck to the heart! Oh, cruel fate! :-) Term limits are fine, but the biggest problem so far has been finding serious candidates for the job. I greatly appreciate Ian's running, as until now there never has been a contested election, and I could not seriously say t

Re: On Bruce Perens and Dave Cinege, etc.

1997-10-27 Thread Syrus Nemat-Nasser
On Mon, 27 Oct 1997, Richard G. Roberto wrote: [snip] > PROPOSAL FOR TERM LIMITS > > I propose that all elected posts in the Debian organization > be subject to the following term limits: [snip] So, Richard. Are you ready to commit a lot of your private time to becoming project leader for a yea

Re: Policy Weekly Issue #4/4: Announcing new packages before uploading them

1997-10-27 Thread James Troup
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Changes: section. So Guys script should look for #(\d+) and > >> close $1 after proceeding (speaking in Perl). > > Andreas> lets use "\(close #(\d+)\)", some people might make a note > Andreas> related to a bug not yet fixed. > > Johnie> I prefe

Re: Policy Weekly Issue #4/4: Announcing new packages before uploading them

1997-10-27 Thread Santiago Vila Doncel
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Mon, 27 Oct 1997, Joey Hess wrote: > I don't like overloading the changelog like this (no, I don't use release). > How about extending the changelog format so we have a field for closed bugs? > Something like: > > foo (1.0-2) unstable; urgency=low closes=100

Re: abandoning the rules of discourse

1997-10-27 Thread Britton
I think you are right there is not much left to be said. However, it is comforting to note that this one ugly thread is the only I have seen in all my time on the Debian lists. Looked at in that light it's sort of reassuring. If bad threads are so incidental, I can comfortably ignore them. An

Not more? Re: my ~/.mail/tmp/DISSENT folder reached 123.

1997-10-27 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Mon, Oct 27, 1997 at 05:06:01PM +0100, Giuseppeferdy Miceli wrote: > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Giuseppe "ferdy" Miceli) > Date: 27 Oct 1997 17:06:00 +0100 > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Lines: 12 > X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.52/XEmacs 20.2 > >ciao, > > i've got 123 mails about dissent and rel

Re: Policy Weekly Issue #4/4: Announcing new packages before uploading them

1997-10-27 Thread Joey Hess
Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Maybe a slightly stricter syntax for closing bugs, so I may > mention things like "This is similar to Bug#12345 on package xyz. We > are still lokking for a solution". > > Maybe the check should eb for "This closes Bug#*** BUG#***" > (concatenatnig the line

Re: Policy Weekly Issue #4/4: Announcing new packages before uploading them

1997-10-27 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Johnie" == Johnie Ingram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Johnie> "Andreas" == Andreas Jellinghaus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Changes: section. So Guys script should look for #(\d+) and close >> $1 after proceeding (speaking in Perl). Andreas> lets use "\(close #(\d+)\)", some people might

my ~/.mail/tmp/DISSENT folder reached 123.

1997-10-27 Thread ferdy
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Giuseppe "ferdy" Miceli) Date: 27 Oct 1997 17:06:00 +0100 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Lines: 12 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.52/XEmacs 20.2 ciao, i've got 123 mails about dissent and related things. i think - my humble opinion of course - those are far too many for a non-te

Re: Policy Weekly Issue #4/4: Announcing new packages before uploading them

1997-10-27 Thread Johnie Ingram
"Andreas" == Andreas Jellinghaus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Changes: section. So Guys script should look for #(\d+) and close >> $1 after proceeding (speaking in Perl). Andreas> lets use "\(close #(\d+)\)", some people might make a note Andreas> related to a bug not yet fixed. I prefer the

Re: On Bruce Perens and Dave Cinege, etc.

1997-10-27 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, I think term limits may not be the panacea that people think they are. 1) Unlike general elections, incumbents do not have more money to spend than challengers 2) Unlike general elections, incumbents do not get more into the constituents eye (any body can mail on the lists

On Bruce Perens and Dave Cinege, etc.

1997-10-27 Thread Richard G. Roberto
Sorry to have come into this so late, but I was tuned in to a different soap opera ;) This is not the first time someone has requested that Bruce be "impeached" or removed from his post as project leader, or president, or whatever it is currently. This is the first time Dave Cinege has done it.

Re: New filesystem standard - do we want it ?

1997-10-27 Thread Andreas Jellinghaus
> Please don't get me wrong: I like the FHS! But we can't implement it for > Debian 2.0 (hamm) and keep the current dead line. so decide now : fhs or deadline, we cannot have both. i think that libc6 will kill the deadline anyway, so i'm a friend of fhs. andreas

Re: New filesystem standard - do we want it ?

1997-10-27 Thread Santiago Vila Doncel
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Fabrizio Polacco wrote: > Lalo Martins wrote: > > Maybe we could come up with a "transition path" - like moving > > stuff like /usr/doc (less prone to make the system break) and > > then symlinking "ln -s /usr/share/doc /usr/doc" > > Yes, make this symlink (ln -

Re: New filesystem standard - do we want it ?

1997-10-27 Thread Christian Schwarz
On Mon, 27 Oct 1997, Ian Jackson wrote: > Andreas Jellinghaus: > > please split hamm into two distributions : > > hamm/unstable and hamm-unstable/fhs-unstable (maybe you have better names). > > I'm afraid I think this is a stunningly bad idea. Exactly. With the introduction of FHS, we'll increm

Re: New filesystem standard - do we want it ?

1997-10-27 Thread Christian Schwarz
On 27 Oct 1997, Kai Henningsen wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christian Schwarz) wrote on 26.10.97 in <[EMAIL > PROTECTED]>: > > > Here is an incomplete list of changes that would produce lots of work: > > > >/usr/doc -> /usr/share/doc(this affects _every_ package!) > >/usr/man ->

Re: New filesystem standard - do we want it ?

1997-10-27 Thread Fabrizio Polacco
Lalo Martins wrote: > > Maybe we could come up with a "transition path" - like moving > stuff like /usr/doc (less prone to make the system break) and > then symlinking "ln -s /usr/share/doc /usr/doc" > Yes, make this symlink (ln -s ../share/doc /usr/doc) on freshly installed systems (where /usr/

Re: Policy Weekly Issue #4/10: Filesystem location of non-english documentation files

1997-10-27 Thread Luis Francisco Gonzalez
> with documentation i only have ls /usr/doc/pkg (or dpkg -L pkg |grep > /usr/doc). with docs splited into several trees this will be more > difficult. Maybe we should then try to help Jim get dwww ready and let that handle it. Also, is it possible to try to get dhelp and dwww talk to each other? d

Re: Policy Weekly Issue #4/4: Announcing new packages before uploading them

1997-10-27 Thread Andreas Jellinghaus
> > i will like an automatic method to close bugs. > > Let's take a look at the .changes files. Normally all information > is covered there. Normally closed bugs are mentioned in the > Changes: section. So Guys script should look for #(\d+) and > close $1 after proceeding (speaking in Perl). l

Re: Policy Weekly Issue #4/4: Announcing new packages before uploading them

1997-10-27 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Martin" == Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> i will like an automatic method to close bugs. Martin> Let's take a look at the .changes files. Normally all Martin> information is covered there. Normally closed bugs are Martin> mentioned in the Changes: section. So Guys script

Re: abandoning the rules of discourse

1997-10-27 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, I think that this topic has reached the end of it's utility (much as I like the discourse). I think we are beginning to repeat ourselves. In concluding my participation on this thread, I have this to add: a) The list is not a place where the first amendment to the US constitut

Re: New filesystem standard - do we want it ?

1997-10-27 Thread Lalo Martins
On Oct 26, Christian Schwarz decided to present us with: [...] > I suggest to implement FHS 2.0 with a few exceptions _after_ hamm (2.0) > is released. Until then, we can discuss the different changes in detail > and decide which parts of the FHS we'll drop. I suggest we make FHS 2.0 [with or with

Re: New filesystem standard - do we want it ?

1997-10-27 Thread Ian Jackson
Andreas Jellinghaus: > please split hamm into two distributions : > hamm/unstable and hamm-unstable/fhs-unstable (maybe you have better names). I'm afraid I think this is a stunningly bad idea. We already have a major incremental upgrade compatibility problem between 1.3 and 2.0, which we're stil