Bug#43928: libc and kernel source policy

1999-10-26 Thread David Engel
On Tue, Oct 26, 1999 at 10:21:21AM -0400, Ben Collins wrote: > is actually nothing wrong with this policy. Personally, I would hope that > it always stays this way. Ditto. > For the non-i386 archs, it makes for much less > bug reports, and more stable/consistent builds. FWIW, stability and cons

Re: Build-depends => change policy wording

1999-10-26 Thread Goswin Brederlow
Julian Gilbey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Why change? > > > > Would it be OK for the source of mount to depend on ssh? (just a realy > > extreme example) > > No: ssh is not in main (it's in non-US/non-free at present, although > it may well end up in non-US/main very soon). See policy 2.1.

Re: Suggestion to and how to alow different compression for .debs

1999-10-26 Thread Joey Hess
Goswin Brederlow wrote: > Whats complicated about using uncompress.sh instead of gzip and > fallback to gzip if not present? Tons of things. What about programs called in uncompress.sh -- are dependancies supposed to be fullfilled then? What happens when the script fails? What if you don't trust d

Re: Build-depends => change policy wording

1999-10-26 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Tue, Oct 26, 1999 at 07:28:31PM +0200, Goswin Brederlow wrote: > Source packages should also not depend on other packages with higher > priority, otherwise there could arise a situation where you can´t > build a package because you can´t build another. This is not useful. Priority rating for so

Re: Source dependencies: are we ready?

1999-10-26 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Tue, Oct 26, 1999 at 03:46:23PM -0400, Ben Collins wrote: > > Sbuild calls dpkg-source to unpack, what does it have to do with the > source format?! All it has to do is call whatever executable is needed for > the unpacking. It _already_ handles _everything_ else, _and_ the Build > Dependencies

Re: Suggestion to and how to alow different compression for .debs

1999-10-26 Thread Goswin Brederlow
Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Goswin Brederlow wrote: > > Why not pipe it through "uncompress.sh" as and if present in the > > control.tar.gz? > > Why not change to using the shar archive format for our packages? > > Because it's overly complicated, and unnecessary. Whats complicated

Re: Suggestion to and how to alow different compression for .debs

1999-10-26 Thread Goswin Brederlow
Chris Pimlott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 21 Oct 1999, Goswin Brederlow wrote: > > Of cause policy should encourage to use bzip2 (or gzip if smaller) and > > base packages must use tar.gz (or tar.bz2 if bzip2 is in base) so > > that one can update debian. Any package using a non default > >

Re: Build-depends => change policy wording

1999-10-26 Thread Goswin Brederlow
Julian Gilbey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > On Tue, 26 Oct 1999, Julian Gilbey wrote: > > > > > Given that there are now two sorts of depends, I am changing the > > > paragraph: > > > > > >Packages may not depend on packages with lower priority values. If > > >this should happen, one o

Re: Suggestion to and how to alow different compression for .debs

1999-10-26 Thread Chris Pimlott
On 21 Oct 1999, Goswin Brederlow wrote: > Of cause policy should encourage to use bzip2 (or gzip if smaller) and > base packages must use tar.gz (or tar.bz2 if bzip2 is in base) so > that one can update debian. Any package using a non default > compression must predepend on that compressor, but th

Bug#44922: PROPOSAL] handling missing stuff in /usr/local

1999-10-26 Thread Julian Gilbey
> Julian Gilbey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > + However, because '/usr/local' and its contents are for > > + exclusive use of the local administrator, a package must > > + not rely on the presence or absence of files of >

Re: Build-depends => change policy wording

1999-10-26 Thread Julian Gilbey
> Why change? > > Would it be OK for the source of mount to depend on ssh? (just a realy > extreme example) No: ssh is not in main (it's in non-US/non-free at present, although it may well end up in non-US/main very soon). See policy 2.1.2 for the definition of the `main' section. > Source pac

Bug#40934: PROPOSAL: changelog.html.gz sanitization

1999-10-26 Thread Julian Gilbey
I second this proposal. [Joey, do you want to change the status of this proposal in the BTS?] Julian =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Julian Gilbey, Dept of Maths, QMW, Univ. of London. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Developer, see

Re: Suggestion to and how to alow different compression for .debs

1999-10-26 Thread Joey Hess
Goswin Brederlow wrote: > Why not pipe it through "uncompress.sh" as and if present in the > control.tar.gz? Why not change to using the shar archive format for our packages? Because it's overly complicated, and unnecessary. -- see shy jo

Re: Build-depends => change policy wording

1999-10-26 Thread Julian Gilbey
> On Tue, 26 Oct 1999, Julian Gilbey wrote: > > > Given that there are now two sorts of depends, I am changing the > > paragraph: > > > >Packages may not depend on packages with lower priority values. If > >this should happen, one of the priority values will have to be > >adapted. > >

Bug#44922: PROPOSAL] handling missing stuff in /usr/local

1999-10-26 Thread Falk Hueffner
Julian Gilbey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > + However, because '/usr/local' and its contents are for > + exclusive use of the local administrator, a package must > + not rely on the presence or absence of files of ^ > +

Re: Source dependencies: are we ready?

1999-10-26 Thread Ben Collins
On Tue, Oct 26, 1999 at 09:02:59PM +0200, Wichert Akkerman wrote: > Previously sparc porters wrote: > > I still think sbuild is the way to go. > > I still think sbuild is not the way to go and would rather see sbuild > modified to handle the new source format. > > Oh, in case someone hasn't notic

Re: Source dependencies: are we ready?

1999-10-26 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously sparc porters wrote: > I still think sbuild is the way to go. I still think sbuild is not the way to go and would rather see sbuild modified to handle the new source format. Oh, in case someone hasn't noticed: this is the rumoured new source format from Klee Dienes. If you want to test

Re: Build-depends => change policy wording

1999-10-26 Thread Goswin Brederlow
Julian Gilbey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Given that there are now two sorts of depends, I am changing the > paragraph: > >Packages may not depend on packages with lower priority values. If >this should happen, one of the priority values will have to be >adapted. > > to read: > >

Re: Source dependencies: are we ready?

1999-10-26 Thread Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho
On Tue, Oct 26, 1999 at 07:13:27PM +0200, Wichert Akkerman wrote: > The name dpkg-source here is a bit if a misnomer; it is in fact the name > of a package that includes new versions of dpkg-source, > dpkg-buildpackage, dpkg-genchangers, etc. > > I have the tarball available for anyone who wants t

Re: Source dependencies: are we ready?

1999-10-26 Thread Ben Collins
On Tue, Oct 26, 1999 at 07:13:27PM +0200, Wichert Akkerman wrote: > Previously sparc porters wrote: > > Personally I don't think dpkg-source can enforce this. > > The name dpkg-source here is a bit if a misnomer; it is in fact the name > of a package that includes new versions of dpkg-source, > dp

Re: Source dependencies: are we ready?

1999-10-26 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously sparc porters wrote: > Personally I don't think dpkg-source can enforce this. The name dpkg-source here is a bit if a misnomer; it is in fact the name of a package that includes new versions of dpkg-source, dpkg-buildpackage, dpkg-genchangers, etc. I have the tarball available for anyo

Bug#40766: Rewrite of "configuration files" section

1999-10-26 Thread Ben Collins
On Tue, Oct 26, 1999 at 05:32:12PM +0100, Julian Gilbey wrote: > OK, almost there. But one quickie: > > The sentence: > A package may not modify a conffile of another package. > was replaced by something better, but I'm not sure what the conclusion > was. How about: > The maintainer scripts

Bug#43724: experimental patch for very much faster dpkg -R

1999-10-26 Thread Julian Gilbey
> Previously Julian Gilbey wrote: > > It seems that this proposal was rejected due to dpkg -iGROEB being > > superceded by apt-cdrom. Is this correct? > > I don't think so.. this was that patch that added an option to dpkg > to use filenames instead of looking inside packages, right? > > Wichert

Bug#40766: Rewrite of "configuration files" section

1999-10-26 Thread Julian Gilbey
OK, almost there. But one quickie: The sentence: A package may not modify a conffile of another package. was replaced by something better, but I'm not sure what the conclusion was. How about: The maintainer scripts of a package may not modify a conffile of _any_ package, including the one

Re: Source dependencies: are we ready?

1999-10-26 Thread Ben Collins
On Tue, Oct 26, 1999 at 04:51:23PM +0200, Wichert Akkerman wrote: > Previously Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote: > > How do you define "complete implementation"? > > A dpkg-source that: > a) supports build-dependencies > b) supports multiple patches > c) can setup a buildroot and start building everyt

Re: Build-depends => change policy wording

1999-10-26 Thread Santiago Vila
On Tue, 26 Oct 1999, Julian Gilbey wrote: > Given that there are now two sorts of depends, I am changing the > paragraph: > >Packages may not depend on packages with lower priority values. If >this should happen, one of the priority values will have to be >adapted. > > to read: > >

Processed: Dpkg can't decide these things

1999-10-26 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Processing commands for [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > reassign 37254 packaging-manual Bug#37254: dpkg: update-alternatives madness Bug reassigned from package `dpkg' to `packaging-manual'. > stop Stopping processing here. Please contact me if you need assistance. Darren Benham (administrator, Debian Bug

Processed: Re: Bug#34223: APT removes essential packages.

1999-10-26 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Processing commands for [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > reopen 34223 Bug#34223: apt and packaging manual are in contradiction is already open, cannot reopen. > severity 34223 normal Bug#34223: apt and packaging manual are in contradiction Severity set to `normal'. > thanks Stopping processing here. Pleas

Bug#43928: libc and kernel source policy

1999-10-26 Thread Ben Collins
On Tue, Oct 26, 1999 at 09:40:57AM -0600, Erik Andersen wrote: > On Tue Oct 26, 1999 at 10:21:21AM -0400, Ben Collins wrote: > > > > Perhaps the real argument should be, to have something that allows the > > users to specify their own headers without libc-dev overwriting them. > > > > That was i

Bug#34223: APT removes essential packages.

1999-10-26 Thread Santiago Vila
reopen 34223 severity 34223 normal thanks On Tue, 26 Oct 1999, Julian Gilbey wrote: > Santiago indicated a contradiction between APT's behaviour and the > packaging manual. Santiago: could you suggest a rewording of the > packaging manual which would resolve this issue? Simple answer: No, this

Bug#43928: libc and kernel source policy

1999-10-26 Thread Erik Andersen
On Tue Oct 26, 1999 at 10:21:21AM -0400, Ben Collins wrote: > > Perhaps the real argument should be, to have something that allows the > users to specify their own headers without libc-dev overwriting them. > That was indeed the problem that caused my concern. When I am hacking on the kernel an

Re: Build-depends => change policy wording

1999-10-26 Thread J.H.M. Dassen \(Ray\)
On Tue, Oct 26, 1999 at 14:46:03 +0100, Julian Gilbey wrote: > Are there any objections? This is not an objection, but I wish there were slightly more accurate term than "binary package", because some binary packages don't contain binaries (e.g. just data and/or scripts). "binary package" could be

Bug#29522: marked as done ([PROPOSED]: clarification needed about diversions)

1999-10-26 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Your message dated Tue, 26 Oct 1999 15:57:20 +0100 (BST) with message-id <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> and subject line Bug#29522: diversions has caused the attached Bug report to be marked as done. This means that you claim that the problem has been dealt with. If this is not the case it is now your respon

Processed: Reassign back to dpkg

1999-10-26 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Processing commands for [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > reassign 37254 dpkg Bug#37254: dpkg: update-alternatives madness Bug reassigned from package `debian-policy, dpkg' to `dpkg'. > thanks Stopping processing here. Please contact me if you need assistance. Darren Benham (administrator, Debian Bugs datab

Bug#42554: A proposal for README.Debian

1999-10-26 Thread Julian Gilbey
Has this proposal been effectively rejected? Julian =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Julian Gilbey, Dept of Maths, QMW, Univ. of London. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Developer, see http://www.debian.org/~jdg

Bug#39398: debian-policy has an unclear statement on dependancies and priorities

1999-10-26 Thread Julian Gilbey
> In /usr/doc/debian-policy/policy.html/ch2.html it says: >Packages may not depend on packages with lower priority values. If this >should happen, one of the priority values will have to be adapted. > > I think this is unclear. Especially the second sentence. Perhaps this > phraseology w

Bug#37254: dpkg: update-alternatives madness

1999-10-26 Thread Julian Gilbey
> Previously Julian Gilbey wrote: > > Do we need to then specify this in the policy manual, or will it be > > sufficient to file bugs against packages which don't have the needed > > update-alternatives in their prerm? > > No need to put this in the policy manual. The policy manual is for > polici

Bug#34223: APT removes essential packages.

1999-10-26 Thread Julian Gilbey
Santiago indicated a contradiction between APT's behaviour and the packaging manual. Santiago: could you suggest a rewording of the packaging manual which would resolve this issue? Julian =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Julian Gilbey, Dept of

Re: Source dependencies: are we ready?

1999-10-26 Thread Julian Gilbey
> On Tue, Oct 26, 1999 at 04:30:50AM -0700, Joel Klecker wrote: > > I do have a problem with the text for policy; it does not explain the > > difference between Build-Indep-{Depends,Conflicts} and > > Build-{Depends,Conflicts}. I think you mean the packaging manual, and the diff says quite clear

Packaging Manual is policy

1999-10-26 Thread Julian Gilbey
Reading bug #31645, it seems clear that the Packaging Manual was accepted as policy, although Joey had reservations. Should I go ahead and make the modifications Manoj proposed? Julian =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Julian Gilbey, Dept of Mat

Build-depends => change policy wording

1999-10-26 Thread Julian Gilbey
Given that there are now two sorts of depends, I am changing the paragraph: Packages may not depend on packages with lower priority values. If this should happen, one of the priority values will have to be adapted. to read: Binary packages may not depend on binary packages with lower

Bug#43724: experimental patch for very much faster dpkg -R

1999-10-26 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Julian Gilbey wrote: > It seems that this proposal was rejected due to dpkg -iGROEB being > superceded by apt-cdrom. Is this correct? I don't think so.. this was that patch that added an option to dpkg to use filenames instead of looking inside packages, right? Wichert. -- __

Re: Source dependencies: are we ready?

1999-10-26 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote: > How do you define "complete implementation"? A dpkg-source that: a) supports build-dependencies b) supports multiple patches c) can setup a buildroot and start building everything that is needed to build a package Right now c) doesn't seem to work cor

Bug#42052: var/spool/mail and /var/mail

1999-10-26 Thread Raul Miller
On Tue, Oct 26, 1999 at 11:39:06AM +0100, Julian Gilbey wrote: > We spent a lot of time on this list thrashing out the /var/spool/mail > vs. /var/mail issue. It would be a shame if it came to nothing due to > a lack of seconds. Please check up this final proposal (included > below) and second it

Bug#43928: libc and kernel source policy

1999-10-26 Thread Ben Collins
On Tue, Oct 26, 1999 at 12:45:20PM +0100, Julian Gilbey wrote: > This should certainly be discussed with the libc maintainers before > making such a proposal. I am sure that they did not take the decision > lightly. > > > I wish to change Debian policy regarding libc and the kernel sources. > > T

Bug#42052: var/spool/mail and /var/mail

1999-10-26 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Alexander Koch wrote: > The change would have to be in the bootdiscs first, right? base-files. Wichert. -- / Generally uninteresting signature - ignore at your convenience \ | [EMAIL PROTECTED]h

Re: Source dependencies: are we ready?

1999-10-26 Thread Ben Collins
On Tue, Oct 26, 1999 at 04:18:55AM -0700, Joel Klecker wrote: > At 06:31 -0400 1999-10-26, Ben Collins wrote: > >Ok, this is what I have as recognized fields in the current dpkg CVS. The > >wording in that new proposal for bug #41232 through me for a loop. Anyway, > >all that is left to be done for

Bug#34610: unsuffixed shared libraries

1999-10-26 Thread Herbert Xu
Julian Gilbey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What's the current status of this bug report? How will we deal with > this problem? How is this a bug in the policy? If upstream insists on new sonames for each release. We must release packages with new names for each release as well. There is no other

Bug#40742: marked as done ([PROPOSED] a new virtual package for FTP servers)

1999-10-26 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Your message dated Tue, 26 Oct 1999 15:36:43 +0200 with message-id <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> and subject line Bug#40742: Your policy proposal has caused the attached Bug report to be marked as done. This means that you claim that the problem has been dealt with. If this is not the case it is now your re

Re: Source dependencies: are we ready?

1999-10-26 Thread Roman Hodek
> I'm annoyed though, that everyone is completely ignoring a *working* > implementation of source-dependencies simply because nobody is > willing to clean it up a little and package it. How can that > happen??? Aehm, what do you mean? For just getting src-deps working, it's only necessary that th

Bug#44922: PROPOSAL] handling missing stuff in /usr/local

1999-10-26 Thread Julian Gilbey
Proposed addition to 3.1.2: >Because '/usr/local' and its contents are for exclusive use of the >local administrator, a package must not rely on the presence or >absence of files or directories in '/usr/local' for normal >operation, although files present in there may modify or enha

Bug#43928: libc and kernel source policy

1999-10-26 Thread Julian Gilbey
This should certainly be discussed with the libc maintainers before making such a proposal. I am sure that they did not take the decision lightly. > I wish to change Debian policy regarding libc and the kernel sources. > The document /usr/share/doc/libc6/FAQ.Debian.gz states: > > Occasionall

Bug#43724: experimental patch for very much faster dpkg -R

1999-10-26 Thread Julian Gilbey
It seems that this proposal was rejected due to dpkg -iGROEB being superceded by apt-cdrom. Is this correct? Julian =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Julian Gilbey, Dept of Maths, QMW, Univ. of London. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux

Bug#43483: proposal] section 3.2 should not allow static user ids (except root=0).

1999-10-26 Thread Julian Gilbey
Any thoughts on this one, or should it be dropped for the time being? Julian =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Julian Gilbey, Dept of Maths, QMW, Univ. of London. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Developer, see http://www.debian.org/~j

Re: Source dependencies: are we ready?

1999-10-26 Thread Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho
On Tue, Oct 26, 1999 at 04:30:50AM -0700, Joel Klecker wrote: > I do have a problem with the text for policy; it does not explain the > difference between Build-Indep-{Depends,Conflicts} and > Build-{Depends,Conflicts}. The difference is clearly defined by the amendment. The Build-{Depends,Conf

Re: Source dependencies: are we ready?

1999-10-26 Thread Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho
On Tue, Oct 26, 1999 at 01:54:58PM +0200, Wichert Akkerman wrote: > Yes. And I won't think I want to change dpkg and friends to accept > the fields until someone comes up with a complete implementation. How do you define "complete implementation"? The build daemon folks have had a working impleme

Bug#37254: dpkg: update-alternatives madness

1999-10-26 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Julian Gilbey wrote: > Do we need to then specify this in the policy manual, or will it be > sufficient to file bugs against packages which don't have the needed > update-alternatives in their prerm? No need to put this in the policy manual. The policy manual is for policies, not for gu

Re: Source dependencies: are we ready?

1999-10-26 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Julian Gilbey wrote: > I'm about to add #41232 (source dependencies) to the next policy > version. But will this break existing tools? Yes. And I won't think I want to change dpkg and friends to accept the fields until someone comes up with a complete implementation. I'm annoyed thoug

Re: Source dependencies: are we ready?

1999-10-26 Thread Joel Klecker
At 06:31 -0400 1999-10-26, Ben Collins wrote: On Tue, Oct 26, 1999 at 09:52:09AM +0100, Julian Gilbey wrote: Sorry, I was doing things from memory. The proposal says: + +This is done using the Build-Depends, +Build-Depends-Indep, Build-Conflicts, and +Build-Conflic

Re: Source dependencies: are we ready?

1999-10-26 Thread Joel Klecker
At 00:14 +0100 1999-10-26, Julian Gilbey wrote: Just a question which I haven't thoroughly investigated yet: I'm about to add #41232 (source dependencies) to the next policy version. But will this break existing tools? In particular, will the dpkg* tools yet be able to build a package using a

Re: Source dependencies: are we ready?

1999-10-26 Thread Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho
On Tue, Oct 26, 1999 at 06:31:14AM -0400, Ben Collins wrote: > Just so I don't have to go looking all over creation, what was the general > consensus on how dpkg-* scripts should handle and react to these fields? IMHO dpkg-source should not check them, or at most warn (they are not unpack depends

Bug#46522: another second

1999-10-26 Thread Alexander Koch
I hereby also second the proposal. Alexander -- - Real programmers don't comment their code. If it was hard to write, it should be hard to understand. Alexander Koch - <>< - WWJD - aka Efraim - PGP 0xE7694969 - ARGH-RIPE

Bug#42052: var/spool/mail and /var/mail

1999-10-26 Thread Alexander Koch
On Tue, 26 October 1999 11:39:06 +0100, Julian Gilbey wrote: > We spent a lot of time on this list thrashing out the /var/spool/mail > vs. /var/mail issue. It would be a shame if it came to nothing due to > a lack of seconds. Please check up this final proposal (included > below) and second it if

Re: Uploaded alsadriver-unstable 0.5pre+cvs19991024+1855-1 (source all) to master

1999-10-26 Thread Gergely Madarasz
On Tue, 26 Oct 1999, Masato Taruishi wrote: > > At Mon, 25 Oct 1999 23:11:18 +0200 (MET DST), > Gergely Madarasz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > alsadriver-unstable (0.5pre+cvs19991024+1855-1) unstable; urgency=low > > > . > > >* new upstream release. > > >* Changed section from main t

Re: Source dependencies: are we ready?

1999-10-26 Thread Ben Collins
On Tue, Oct 26, 1999 at 09:52:09AM +0100, Julian Gilbey wrote: > > At 00:14 +0100 1999-10-26, Julian Gilbey wrote: > > >Just a question which I haven't thoroughly investigated yet: > > > > > >I'm about to add #41232 (source dependencies) to the next policy > > >version. But will this break existin

Bug#39831: marked as done (FSSTND refers to an inaccessible file, namely, device-list)

1999-10-26 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
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Bug#26995: marked as done ([BUG] problem viewing fsstnd-1.2.dvi.gz)

1999-10-26 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
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Bug#42052: var/spool/mail and /var/mail

1999-10-26 Thread Julian Gilbey
We spent a lot of time on this list thrashing out the /var/spool/mail vs. /var/mail issue. It would be a shame if it came to nothing due to a lack of seconds. Please check up this final proposal (included below) and second it if you think it appropriate. Julian =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Bug#41902: Test suite proposal

1999-10-26 Thread Julian Gilbey
I am currently sorting through the bugs in debian-policy, and came across this one by Ian Jackson. Any thoughts? Julian > I think most of us will agree that we need some kind of way of > distributing and automatically using regression test suites. We need > to do this in a way that allows pe

Bug#37254: dpkg: update-alternatives madness

1999-10-26 Thread Julian Gilbey
> I agree that update-alternatives shouldn't put an alternative into > manual mode because a _target_ disappeared unexpectedly. I'll look > into this eventually. > > But, the problem doesn't happen if you call update-alternatives in the > prerm, which is where you should. So it would be good if

Bug#35510: mirror license seems Debian-specific

1999-10-26 Thread Julian Gilbey
Any progress on this bug report? > Summary of the bug report: > > If mirror license is not Debian-specific, its license should explicitly > allow distribution of the program in modified form, by point #4 in > the DFSG. > > The maintainer asked the author about being ok that *Debian* > distribut

Bug#34610: unsuffixed shared libraries

1999-10-26 Thread Julian Gilbey
What's the current status of this bug report? How will we deal with this problem? Julian > > > MICO (www.mico.org) doesn't use so versions, but always puts the > > > full version into the library file name. An example result of ldd > > > is: > > > > > > coolo:~> ldd /usr/bin/idl > > >

Re: Source dependencies: are we ready?

1999-10-26 Thread Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho
On Tue, Oct 26, 1999 at 12:15:52AM -0700, Joel Klecker wrote: > wtf? when did the proposal change to "Source-Depends:"? there's no > evidence of that in the logs. *My* proposal has never changed that way (#41232). The fields are: Build-Depends: Build-Depends-Indep: Build-Conflicts: Build-Confli

Re: Source dependencies: are we ready?

1999-10-26 Thread Julian Gilbey
> At 00:14 +0100 1999-10-26, Julian Gilbey wrote: > >Just a question which I haven't thoroughly investigated yet: > > > >I'm about to add #41232 (source dependencies) to the next policy > >version. But will this break existing tools? In particular, will the > >dpkg* tools yet be able to build a p

Bug#43651: ACCEPTED] mailbox locking

1999-10-26 Thread Roland Rosenfeld
On Mon, 25 Oct 1999, Julian Gilbey wrote: > I am about to include this amendment in policy. However, I am stuck > with the wording, as you say the following. > > Questions: What version number should be used in footnote 2? >What do we do with the reference implementation? Good questi

Re: Source dependencies: are we ready?

1999-10-26 Thread Joel Klecker
At 00:14 +0100 1999-10-26, Julian Gilbey wrote: Just a question which I haven't thoroughly investigated yet: I'm about to add #41232 (source dependencies) to the next policy version. But will this break existing tools? In particular, will the dpkg* tools yet be able to build a package using a

Re: Source dependencies: are we ready?

1999-10-26 Thread Ben Collins
On Tue, Oct 26, 1999 at 12:14:19AM +0100, Julian Gilbey wrote: > Just a question which I haven't thoroughly investigated yet: > > I'm about to add #41232 (source dependencies) to the next policy > version. But will this break existing tools? In particular, will the > dpkg* tools yet be able to b

Bug#48247: echo -n

1999-10-26 Thread Herbert Xu
On Mon, Oct 25, 1999 at 10:12:03PM -0400, Raul Miller wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 26, 1999 at 10:11:50AM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: > > But do you agree that with your current proposal, you still have to fix all > > scripts that use -e/escape codes? > > Like I said before, I don't think this issue is re

Processed: policy administrivia

1999-10-26 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Processing commands for [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > retitle 46522 [PROPOSED] Simplified definition of Non-free Bug#46522: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: SSH never free] Changed Bug title. > severity 46522 wishlist Bug#46522: [PROPOSED] Simplified definition of Non-free Severity set to `wishlist'. > retitle 482

Bug#48247: echo -n

1999-10-26 Thread Raul Miller
On Mon, Oct 25, 1999 at 10:06:24PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: > > > Let me state once again, this has no bearing whatsoever over the proposed > > > change in policy and my question about whether escape codes/-e are to be > > > mentioned or not. It is for purely pendantic value. On Mon, Oct 25, 1999

Re: Source dependencies: are we ready?

1999-10-26 Thread Raul Miller
On Tue, Oct 26, 1999 at 12:14:19AM +0100, Julian Gilbey wrote: > I'm about to add #41232 (source dependencies) to the next policy > version. But will this break existing tools? In particular, will the > dpkg* tools yet be able to build a package using a Source-Depends: > field, or will they die?

Bug#41729: marked as done ([REJECTED] Modify dpkg-buildpackage to handle FHS move)

1999-10-26 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Your message dated Tue, 26 Oct 1999 01:12:11 +0100 (BST) with message-id <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> and subject line Bug#41729: [PROPOSAL] Modify dpkg-buildpackage to handle FHS move has caused the attached Bug report to be marked as done. This means that you claim that the problem has been dealt with.

Processed: Close accepted policy amendments

1999-10-26 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Processing commands for [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > close 21969 Bug#21969: [ACCEPTED 1998/05/01] Policy clarification about Standards-Version Bug closed, ack sent to submitter - they'd better know why ! > close 28747 Bug#28747: [ACCEPTED 1999/04/05] Policy note that GPL moved to /usr/share/common-licen

Processed: retitle rejected bug

1999-10-26 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Processing commands for [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > retitle 41729 [REJECTED] Modify dpkg-buildpackage to handle FHS move Bug#41729: [PROPOSAL] Modify dpkg-buildpackage to handle FHS move Changed Bug title. > thanks Stopping processing here. Please contact me if you need assistance. Darren Benham (admi

Bug#43787: PROPOSAL] changing policy on compiling with -g .. a better way

1999-10-26 Thread Julian Gilbey
I'm not quite clear from the bug logs what the final agreed wording is for this proposal. Please could you let me know? Julian =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Julian Gilbey, Dept of Maths, QMW, Univ. of London. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian

Bug#43651: ACCEPTED] mailbox locking

1999-10-26 Thread Julian Gilbey
I am about to include this amendment in policy. However, I am stuck with the wording, as you say the following. Questions: What version number should be used in footnote 2? What do we do with the reference implementation? > So I think we should change the above paragraph to something

Source dependencies: are we ready?

1999-10-26 Thread Julian Gilbey
Just a question which I haven't thoroughly investigated yet: I'm about to add #41232 (source dependencies) to the next policy version. But will this break existing tools? In particular, will the dpkg* tools yet be able to build a package using a Source-Depends: field, or will they die? If the l

Close accepted policy amendments

1999-10-26 Thread Julian Gilbey
close 21969 close 28747 close 37257 close 37338 close 37342 close 37345 close 37389 close 37713 close 38212 thanks Now that all bugs are archived, it doesn't seem to make much sense to keep these accepted amendments in a "Fixed" state. What to do with all of the old proposals is another matter.

Bug#48247: echo -n

1999-10-26 Thread Herbert Xu
On Mon, Oct 25, 1999 at 08:09:13PM -0400, Raul Miller wrote: > On Mon, Oct 25, 1999 at 10:06:24PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: > > Let me state once again, this has no bearing whatsoever over the proposed > > change in policy and my question about whether escape codes/-e are to be > > mentioned or not.

Bug#48247: echo -n

1999-10-26 Thread Raul Miller
On Mon, Oct 25, 1999 at 10:06:24PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: > Let me state once again, this has no bearing whatsoever over the proposed > change in policy and my question about whether escape codes/-e are to be > mentioned or not. It is for purely pendantic value. I think it's an important point,

Bug#39299: AMENDED PROPOSAL] Permit use of bz2 for source packages

1999-10-26 Thread Ben Collins
On Mon, Oct 25, 1999 at 11:32:32PM +0200, Goswin Brederlow wrote: > Ben Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > Normally, one could just look at the extension (.gz, .bz2). I don't see a > > need to add an extra field to the .dsc. > > > > Ben > > Then dpkg-source, dpkg-deb, must know all