Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-21 Thread Noah Slater
On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 11:33:32PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Now, some of the objections you have heard is because of the hard line you have been taking in this discussion about looking for and adding copyright holders is not, as far as I can see, reflected in current policy.

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-21 Thread Thomas Viehmann
Hi Manoj, Manoj Srivastava wrote: o) It should name the original authors -- which, in my view, is distinct from every subsequent contributor. This can bea matter of subjective interpretation, though. Allow me to disagree. While in common language original can be used in the sense

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-21 Thread Joerg Jaspert
The real problem here is that FTP masters require the list of copyright holders to be up-to-date each time the package goes through NEW. Whatever justification exists for this requirement, I???m starting to find it unacceptable. If a package has to go through NEW, it takes about twice as

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-21 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sat, Mar 21 2009, Noah Slater wrote: I only maintain a small number of packages, but even then, I have regularly found files contained within those packages which were included for various reasons by upstream under a different license. In the case of planet-venus, I remove a not

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-21 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sat, Mar 21 2009, Thomas Viehmann wrote: Hi Manoj, Manoj Srivastava wrote: o) It should name the original authors -- which, in my view, is distinct from every subsequent contributor. This can bea matter of subjective interpretation, though. Allow me to disagree. While in

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-21 Thread Lars Wirzenius
la, 2009-03-21 kello 15:04 +0100, Joerg Jaspert kirjoitti: We require, and have seen nothing to convince us otherwise, that Debian maintainers need to do the basic work of listing each copyright holder in debian/copyright, as seen in the source files and AUTHORS list or equivalent (if any).

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-21 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sat, Mar 21 2009, Joerg Jaspert wrote: The real problem here is that FTP masters require the list of copyright holders to be up-to-date each time the package goes through NEW. Whatever justification exists for this requirement, I???m starting to find it unacceptable. If a package has to go

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-21 Thread Roger Leigh
On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 04:25:36PM +0200, Lars Wirzenius wrote: la, 2009-03-21 kello 15:04 +0100, Joerg Jaspert kirjoitti: We require, and have seen nothing to convince us otherwise, that Debian maintainers need to do the basic work of listing each copyright holder in debian/copyright, as

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-21 Thread Romain Beauxis
Le Saturday 21 March 2009 15:42:35 Manoj Srivastava, vous avez écrit :         Now, it might be perfectly fine for the ftp team to impose such  restrictions on packages, and create their own policy; but please at  least say so, and do not hide being hand waving of either copyright law  

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-21 Thread Russ Allbery
Joerg Jaspert jo...@debian.org writes: We require, and have seen nothing to convince us otherwise, that Debian maintainers need to do the basic work of listing each copyright holder in debian/copyright, as seen in the source files and AUTHORS list or equivalent (if any). So, the question

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-21 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 02:57:34PM +0100, Thomas Viehmann wrote: Allow me to disagree. While in common language original can be used in the sense of initial as your interpretation seems to suggest, this is clearly and consistently not the case in the context of copyright. In fact, original

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-21 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 03:04:32PM +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote: Even the GPL tells you to. § 4. Conveying Verbatim Copies (which is then mentioned in the source/binary paragraphs): --8schnipp-8--- You may convey verbatim copies of the Program's

Bug#206684: mandatory use of debconf for user prompting a release goal for squeeze

2009-03-21 Thread Colin Watson
On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 10:29:35PM +0100, Bill Allombert wrote: Is there actually packages that does not use debconf ? The one I'm involved with is base-passwd; but it only doesn't use debconf because I've been putting off dealing with figuring out how to convert it over (since it ideally ought

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-21 Thread Ben Pfaff
Joerg Jaspert jo...@debian.org writes: We require, and have seen nothing to convince us otherwise, that Debian maintainers need to do the basic work of listing each copyright holder in debian/copyright, as seen in the source files and AUTHORS list or equivalent (if any). Is this requirement

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-21 Thread Russ Allbery
Noah Slater nsla...@tumbolia.org writes: On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 12:15:00PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: Is the reason that you feel most licenses require preservation of the copyright notice and it's easier to enforce it uniformly for all copyright files? Is there some other larger reason why

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-21 Thread Noah Slater
On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 09:42:35AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Why do they have to? I know, the ftp team made it up. But there is no reason in policy or in copyright law for such copying to occur. But it would be nice to know why it is needed. I can think of a few desirable

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-21 Thread Noah Slater
On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 12:15:00PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: Is the reason that you feel most licenses require preservation of the copyright notice and it's easier to enforce it uniformly for all copyright files? Is there some other larger reason why is this important for the project?

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-21 Thread Russ Allbery
Noah Slater nsla...@tumbolia.org writes: On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 08:07:23PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: NEW rejections are even stronger than an RC bug. Apart from questions of whether that's useful documentation for users, I have a hard time seeing either of your reasons stated above as

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-21 Thread Noah Slater
On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 08:07:23PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: NEW rejections are even stronger than an RC bug. Apart from questions of whether that's useful documentation for users, I have a hard time seeing either of your reasons stated above as being RC-level bugs. You don't think that