RFC: Policy process considered harmful

2011-11-27 Thread Jonathan Nieder
Disclaimer: the below is a half-baked long-term proposal for a process change. If you're wondering about how to do useful work today, please ignore it. But comments welcome. Hi, My experience has been that the policy process works pretty well when a policy delegate is involved in the discussion

Bug#628515: recommending verbose build logs

2011-11-27 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Mon, 28 Nov 2011, Jonathan Nieder wrote: > On the other hand, if you are saying that packagers should not wait > for any official pronouncement to implement whatever > DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=verbose/quiet option they please, then I would agree > with you. xz-utils has supported DEB_BUILD_OPTION

Bug#628515: recommending verbose build logs

2011-11-27 Thread Jonathan Nieder
Charles Plessy wrote: > it seems to me that the best way to materialise a consensus for a release goal > is to actually get it listed in http://release.debian.org/wheezy/goals.txt and > have the work started. This will protect the Policy from documenting options > that are not implemented. In li

Bug#628515: recommending verbose build logs

2011-11-27 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 12:06:05AM -0600, Jonathan Nieder a écrit : > > > I think that the best way to see which of verbose or noverbose is to be > > chosen > > would be to go through the soft release goal or release recommendation that > > Matthias advocated. Once the mayonnaise thickens (once

Bug#628515: recommending verbose build logs

2011-11-27 Thread Jonathan Nieder
Hi Charles, Charles Plessy wrote: > I think that the best way to see which of verbose or noverbose is to be chosen > would be to go through the soft release goal or release recommendation that > Matthias advocated. Once the mayonnaise thickens (once the recommendation is > followed), then it wil

Re: Bug#628515: recommending verbose build logs

2011-11-27 Thread Charles Plessy
user debian-pol...@packages.debian.org usertags 628515 normative discussion thanks Le Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 04:39:33AM -0600, Jonathan Nieder a écrit : > Jakub Wilk wrote: > > * Jonathan Nieder , 2011-11-26, 18:37: > > [...] > >> I do not suspect there is a > >> consensus for this. > > > > Why do

Processed: Re: Bug#462996: Would I agree to merging #633994 with #462996?

2011-11-27 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Processing commands for cont...@bugs.debian.org: > user debian-pol...@packages.debian.org Setting user to debian-pol...@packages.debian.org (was ple...@debian.org). > usertags 633994 normative discussion Bug#633994: debian-policy: confusion over what the license information in the copyright file

Bug#633994: Bug#462996: Would I agree to merging #633994 with #462996?

2011-11-27 Thread Charles Plessy
user debian-pol...@packages.debian.org usertags 633994 normative discussion block 633994 by 462996 thanks Le Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 11:06:44AM +, Nicholas Bamber a écrit : > > So the usage I was complaining about squeezed the upstream license > information into the short license and the Debian

Processed (with 1 errors): Re: Bug#630174: debian-policy: forbid installation into /lib64

2011-11-27 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Processing commands for cont...@bugs.debian.org: > ##Le Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 01:28:30PM +0900, Charles Plessy a écrit : > ## > ## I will update the patch or remove the patch tag according to the answers > # Removing misleading patch tag, and using correct user for usertags. > user debian-pol...@pa

Bug#462996: Would I agree to merging #633994 with #462996?

2011-11-27 Thread Nicholas Bamber
Would I agree to merging #633994 with #462996? Hmm. Possibly. I think my issue is a subset of #462996. So it depends if my question is narrow enough that it can be settled separately. I read #462996 as a request that Debian policy should get as close as possible to an expression of what the FTP m

Bug#628515: recommending verbose build logs

2011-11-27 Thread Jonathan Nieder
Jakub Wilk wrote: > * Jonathan Nieder , 2011-11-26, 18:37: [...] >> I do not suspect there is a >> consensus for this. > > Why do you think there is not? I was guessing, it seems incorrectly, based on the lack of seconds or other discussion on this policy proposal. >> Some maintainers enjoy read

Bug#628515: recommending verbose build logs

2011-11-27 Thread Jakub Wilk
* Jonathan Nieder , 2011-11-26, 18:37: Matthias Klose wrote: It's always interesting to look at build logs, or to receive bug reports of the form CC or CCLD without knowing how the compiler or the linker were called. Maybe it is convenient for a package maintainer watching the build