Bug#801065: Section 6.4 - discourage failing install or upgrade when service fails to start

2015-10-05 Thread Marvin Renich
* Russ Allbery [151005 18:24]: > I'm also in favor. However, this is a very substantial change to Debian > practice, and I'm not sure what process should be used for making this > kind of decision. This wasn't a gap in our specification; rather, the > previous standard was explicitly chosen (by

Bug#801065: Section 6.4 - discourage failing install or upgrade when service fails to start

2015-10-05 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Russ" == Russ Allbery writes: Yeah, but there's a significant factor that reduces things somewhat. In the past, /etc/init.d/foo failing would often cause postinst to break. However, in the past, there were a lot of failures that were not detected by the init.d script. We have two intention

Bug#801065: Section 6.4 - discourage failing install or upgrade when service fails to start

2015-10-05 Thread Bill Allombert
On Mon, Oct 05, 2015 at 03:20:34PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > Sam Hartman writes: > >> "Marvin" == Marvin Renich writes: > > > Marvin> As discussed on debian-devel starting at [1], I would like a > > Marvin> comment added to Section 6.4 "Best practices for maintainer > > Marvin

Bug#801065: Section 6.4 - discourage failing install or upgrade when service fails to start

2015-10-05 Thread Russ Allbery
Sam Hartman writes: >> "Marvin" == Marvin Renich writes: > Marvin> As discussed on debian-devel starting at [1], I would like a > Marvin> comment added to Section 6.4 "Best practices for maintainer > Marvin> scripts" that recommends preventing the postinst script from > Marvi

Bug#801065: digest of debian-devel discussion leading to this bug

2015-10-05 Thread Marvin Renich
Here is a condensation of the discussion prior to filing this bug. I have removed all quotes of previous messages (e.g. msg [2] contained quotes from msg [1] that have been removed). I have tried to identify when a message is a reply to parts of several messages or to a message that is not the pr

Bug#801065: Section 6.4 - discourage failing install or upgrade when service fails to start

2015-10-05 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Marvin" == Marvin Renich writes: Marvin> As discussed on debian-devel starting at [1], I would like a Marvin> comment added to Section 6.4 "Best practices for maintainer Marvin> scripts" that recommends preventing the postinst script from Marvin> returning failure when a se

Bug#801065: Section 6.4 - discourage failing install or upgrade when service fails to start

2015-10-05 Thread Marvin Renich
Package: developers-reference Version: 3.4.16 Severity: wishlist As discussed on debian-devel starting at [1], I would like a comment added to Section 6.4 "Best practices for maintainer scripts" that recommends preventing the postinst script from returning failure when a service fails to start. A