Bug#758234: it's actively harmful

2014-11-04 Thread Bernhard R. Link
a simple dependency on B, then (absent any Pre-Depends) the priority of B is not relevant any more and thus doesn't need to be overridden. And what about the dependencies of B? Is it allowed to have non-simple dependencies in your suggestion? Bernhard R. Link -- F8AC 04D5 0B9B 064B 3383

Re: Bug#748936: apt doesnt understand architecture wildcards

2014-06-06 Thread Bernhard R. Link
it. At least I'd suggest to not allow it in the Debian archive yet. Not everything dpkg supports must be allowed by policy. (Like upper case letters in package names). Bernhard R. Link -- F8AC 04D5 0B9B 064B 3383 C3DA AFFC 96D1 151D FFDC -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-policy-requ

Re: Bug#748936: apt doesnt understand architecture wildcards

2014-06-03 Thread Bernhard R. Link
like a any-FOO matching any debian architecture *-FOO and FOO would be something simple. Having magic like any-arm also matching armhf means it cannot be processed without having special knowledge of the architectures. Bernhard R. Link -- F8AC 04D5 0B9B 064B 3383 C3DA AFFC 96D1 151D FFDC

Re: Bug#748936: apt doesnt understand architecture wildcards

2014-05-25 Thread Bernhard R. Link
describes absolutely nothing currently, and having such important fields a meaning that you cannot calculate without knowing what architectures the system finally using the package uses makes it unhandable). Bernhard R. Link -- F8AC 04D5 0B9B 064B 3383 C3DA AFFC 96D1 151D FFDC

Re: Bug#707851: debian-policy: soften the wording recommending menu files

2013-05-15 Thread Bernhard R. Link
. The menu program could just read .desktop files and generate a menu for the window managers using the already existing menu-methods. The format is not really the problem. The problem is the missing contents of desktop files. Bernhard R. Link -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-policy

Bug#707851: Please do not remove menu before .desktop is fixed (if it ever will be)

2013-05-12 Thread Bernhard R. Link
to their users by not having a .desktop entry, Gnome programs can have their OnlyShowIn=Gnome so no other newfangled DEs sees them but with a menu entry users of classical window managers could still start them and so on. Bernhard R. Link -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-policy

Bug#707851: Please do not remove menu before .desktop is fixed (if it ever will be)

2013-05-12 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org [130512 12:55]: Le dimanche 12 mai 2013 à 12:36 +0200, Bernhard R. Link a écrit : Some points for a having menu files: - it is supposed to include all programs, and does not do choices like you don't want that program In my opinion, this is an anti

Bug#397939: clean rule behavior underspecified and inconsistent with common practice

2012-09-11 Thread Bernhard R. Link
. Bernhard R. Link -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-policy-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2012093545.ga1...@client.brlink.eu

Bug#654958: debian-policy: Document VCS fields.

2012-07-15 Thread Bernhard R. Link
for cvs -d (i.e. usually starting with :pserver:), followed by an optional module name (seperated by a space). I think it might also make sense to explicitly request that the fields should describe an anonymous checkout. Bernhard R. Link -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-policy-requ

Bug#654958: debian-policy: Document VCS fields.

2012-05-09 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Bernhard R. Link brl...@debian.org [120108 14:03]: * Russ Allbery r...@debian.org [120107 20:42]: Bernhard R. Link brl...@debian.org writes: Something that was only added to git after that discussion was already running for a while is git-clone's -b. Sadly Vcs-Git: git

Re: Proposal to update NMU section 5.11.1

2012-04-27 Thread Bernhard R. Link
all those bugs again, like it was done before versioned closes where introduced). Bernhard R. Link -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-policy-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org

Bug#571776: document symbols

2012-03-24 Thread Bernhard R. Link
unusual corner cases. Only stylistics: How about not using flawed? Something like Also the way library SONAMEs are represented in fileshlibsfile files makes it difficult to use them in some unusual corner cases.? Bernhard R. Link -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-policy-requ

Re: Bug#638060: debian-policy: §9.1.1: FHS should also be a must for generated files

2012-02-27 Thread Bernhard R. Link
that. Bernhard R. Link -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-policy-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120227193203.ga1...@server.brlink.eu

Bug#654958: debian-policy: Document VCS fields.

2012-01-08 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Russ Allbery r...@debian.org [120107 20:42]: Bernhard R. Link brl...@debian.org writes: Something that was only added to git after that discussion was already running for a while is git-clone's -b. Sadly Vcs-Git: git://git.eyrie.org/kerberos/webauth.git -b squeeze does not work

Re: Bug#654958: debian-policy: Document VCS fields.

2012-01-07 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Russ Allbery r...@debian.org [120107 17:51]: I wonder if something like Vcs-Git: git://git.eyrie.org/kerberos/webauth.git squeeze could be made to work. My understanding was that the debcheckout developers were not enthused about adding a syntax that Git upstream didn't support,

Re: Replacing ‘may not’ and ‘shall not’ by ‘must not‘ ?

2011-10-27 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Russ Allbery r...@debian.org [111026 19:12]: Bernhard R. Link brl...@debian.org writes: * Russ Allbery r...@debian.org [111026 00:43]: I think it would be lovely to just use RFC 2119 language or a close adaptation thereof. We're sort of reinventing the wheel here, There is also those

Re: Replacing ‘may not’ and ‘shall not’ by ‘must not‘ ?

2011-10-27 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Julian Gilbey jul...@d-and-j.net [111027 12:09]: 3.2: Unchanged, So a package without a version is fine? except in final paragraph where should be converted is changed to SHOULD be converted. So you suggest to change policy so that this is no longer a bug if not done? Bernhard R

Re: Replacing ‘may not’ and ‘shall not’ by ‘must not‘ ?

2011-10-26 Thread Bernhard R. Link
difference. Having to have some all-upercase MUST in every second sentence is not only ugly but would not improve policy at all. Bernhard R. Link -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-policy-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: Bug#633994: debian-policy: confusion over what the license information in the copyright file actually means

2011-07-16 Thread Bernhard R. Link
/copyright. And not be mislead to think everything is fine just because we thought it is and thought it would be a clever idea to hide any discrepancies away. Bernhard R. Link [1] Exceptions are usually removal of indendation/comment characters/ line splitting, deduplication and things like

Re: Bug#604397: debian-policy: require build-arch and build-indep targets

2011-06-04 Thread Bernhard R. Link
for the existence of the target *reliably*, then we don't need to enforce its presence at all. Lintian checks do not need to be as reliable. (Reliable tests are better, but hardly any lintian check is as reliable to an extent people seem to require for a build time build-arch check.) Bernhard R

Re: Patch for MultiarchCross

2011-04-10 Thread Bernhard R. Link
versions. Gtk simply is not a good example for any sane library handling, as it insists of inventing it's own way for everything. (Just think of the inlining of other libraries' functions so one never can know that libraries are actually used). Bernhard R. Link -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email

Re: New field Package-List in .dsc

2011-03-24 Thread Bernhard R. Link
if it also could include the Architecture: of those packages. That would make it easier for things like reprepro to decide if there might be some binary package missing. (Or for other forms of poor-man's stateless wanna-build stuff). Bernhard R. Link -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-policy

Re: Bug#619131: New field Package-List in .dsc

2011-03-24 Thread Bernhard R. Link
or not). I'd rather see this as fields only there if the upload has something to say in this regard. Bernhard R. Link [1] Which is something I'm very happy if it changes[2]. Though having it as Package-List:\n src:srcname is a bit more complicated than just having Section and Priority

Bug#604397: debian-policy: require build-arch and build-indep targets

2011-03-02 Thread Bernhard R. Link
(and nothing making those rules phony, as commonly misused patch rules often do), this problem can be worked around. But that does not help if upstream's build system does not behave well. Bernhard R. Link -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-policy-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject

Re: Bug#613046: debian-policy: please update example in 4.9.1 (debian/rules and DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS)

2011-02-14 Thread Bernhard R. Link
way to pass CFLAGS to configure is as a command line argument, not an env var. That's only available since 1999-10-31 [1], so while it is clearly is the preferred and better way, some tools tend to give them as environment variables. Bernhard R. Link [1] http://git.savannah.gnu.org

Bug#593909: debian-policy: Clarifications about the syntax of Debian control files.

2010-08-27 Thread Bernhard R. Link
and there will definitly be code that has problems because there is simply no way to test all those different cases. Bernhard R. Link -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-policy-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org

Bug#590511: Document significance of first-listed alternative in dependencies

2010-08-02 Thread Bernhard R. Link
). How about rather stating that the maintainer should order the list so that the first choice so that a user is commonly best advised to chose the earlier over later choices? (With some extra bla about buildd behaviour). Bernhard R. Link -- Never contain programs so few bugs, as when

Re: Priority dependence

2010-07-19 Thread Bernhard R. Link
. The difference between optional and extra is indeed mood today. But I guess that is mostly because dh_make is making everything optional instead of extra by default... Bernhard R. Link -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-policy-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble

Re: Bug#470960: 6.7.8.2: point 4 (use foo-ver.orig for repacked tarballs) seems backwards

2010-03-09 Thread Bernhard R. Link
in our archive). Hochachtungsvoll, Bernhard R. Link [1] It got a bit better, but still has that feature available by a flag and does not warn enough against its usage in my eyes. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-policy-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble

Bug#571776: debian-policy: Libraries should be allowed to not provide shlibs when they provide symbols file

2010-02-28 Thread Bernhard R. Link
, as when the symbols file is updated, the shlibs may not be bumped. Perhaps creating shlibs files out of symbols files at build time could also be a solution for this. Hochachtungsvoll, Bernhard R. Link -- Never contain programs so few bugs, as when no debugging tools are available

Re: does /var/games have to be deleted on purge? (if it's empty..)

2010-01-06 Thread Bernhard R. Link
be nothing left and especially when I reinstall it everything should be as after the first installation. Hochachtungsvoll, Bernhard R. Link -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-policy-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Bug#561828: debian-policy: add restriction for non arch all packages

2009-12-20 Thread Bernhard R. Link
of different dependencies per architecture, which cannot yet be expressed in an architecture all package. Hochachtungsvoll, Bernhard R. Link -- Never contain programs so few bugs, as when no debugging tools are available! Niklaus Wirth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-policy-requ

Bug#543417: README.source patch system documentation requirements considered harmful

2009-09-08 Thread Bernhard R. Link
, standard quilt patching done at build time or this package may do something special but noone has yet looked at it. Hochachtungsvoll, Bernhard R. Link -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-policy-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas

Bug#542865: Grant an FHS exception for the multiarch library directories

2009-08-24 Thread Bernhard R. Link
being so ridiculous as I am? Thanks in advance, Bernhard R. Link -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-policy-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Bug#542865: Grant an FHS exception for the multiarch library directories

2009-08-23 Thread Bernhard R. Link
| grep \/64 |lrwxrwxrwx root/root 0 2005-01-07 17:49 ./usr/lib/64 - ../lib64 |lrwxrwxrwx root/root 0 2005-01-07 17:49 ./lib/64 - ../lib64 I can guess you can imagine what happend when upgrading in half of the cases... Hochachtungsvoll, Bernhard R. Link -- To UNSUBSCRIBE

Bug#542865: Grant an FHS exception for the multiarch library directories

2009-08-22 Thread Bernhard R. Link
or next but one release again. Hochachtungsvoll, Bernhard R. Link -- Never contain programs so few bugs, as when no debugging tools are available! Niklaus Wirth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-policy-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact

Re: Bug#522217: debian-policy: Drop requirement to pre-depend on x11-common

2009-06-21 Thread Bernhard R. Link
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Bug#514919: Removing support for uploads to multiple distributions

2009-02-12 Thread Bernhard R. Link
that this is no longer needed within Debian, but I think it is still a usefull feature and use it a lot in local repositories, so would like to have changes handling tools continue to support it. Hochachtungsvoll, Bernhard R. Link -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-policy-requ...@lists.debian.org

Re: gnome, kde, xfce use non-policy main menu

2008-07-05 Thread Bernhard R. Link
are duplicated by a .desktop file. Hochachtungsvoll, Bernhard R. Link -- Never contain programs so few bugs, as when no debugging tools are available! Niklaus Wirth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Bug#479080: debian-policy: Policy '3.8 Essential packages' does not explain when/why essential is neccessary

2008-06-06 Thread Bernhard R. Link
splitting it into a mkfs*/fsck* part (which needs the libuuid1 dependency which again pulls in passwd, which again pulls in more stuff) in an extra package seems a more sensible choice if things were to change in a way to allow more minimal build chroots). Hochachtungsvoll, Bernhard R

Re: Colons in upstream version.

2003-11-03 Thread Bernhard R. Link
this mean you have nothing against debian-policy stating colons are not allowed (and how they should be translated) in upstream versions, as long dpkg can still cope with them for non-Debian packages? Hochachtungsvoll, Bernhard R. Link -- The man who trades freedom for security does

Bug#218893: Proposal: debian/rules.version file [Fix for the build-arch problem]

2003-11-03 Thread Bernhard R. Link
and such things... Hochachtungsvoll, Bernhard R. Link -- The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either. (Benjamin Franklin)

Colons in upstream version.

2003-10-26 Thread Bernhard R. Link
agsinst debian-policy, if noone contradicts. Hochachtungsvoll, Bernhard R. Link -- The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either. (Benjamin Franklin) pgpKArjium9XK.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: reminder: menu icons should be 32x32 or smaller!

2001-05-11 Thread Bernhard R. Link
, if there is only *one* programm or *one* icon with too much colours. Hochachtungsvoll, Bernhard R. Link

Re: init script config files

2000-07-08 Thread Bernhard R. Link
it is not a conffile. (And a Sentence in policy that this file has to) Hochachtungsvoll, Bernhard R. Link