On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 01:26:29PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Julian Gilbey <jul...@d-and-j.net> writes:
>
> > Just a straw poll: who sees /etc/motd these days? My system (probably
> > in common with many many users) boots into a graphical environment; I
> >
On Fri, Dec 29, 2017 at 07:29:48PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
> I agree that we should probably add /usr/share/common-licenses to the
> default motd. Currently, we say:
>
> The programs included with the Debian GNU/Linux system are free
> software; the exact distribution terms for each
Package: debian-policy
Version: 3.9.8.0
Severity: normal
Tags: patch
As invoke-rc.d is now (in stretch) in an essential package, I propose
simplifying the script example in policy to remove the test for its
existence (debhelper already does this):
--- /tmp/policy.sgml.orig 2017-01-25
Hello!
I propose that the 18-year-old file
/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/libc6-migration.txt.gz
shipped in the debian-policy package is dropped from future versions
of debian-policy, as it serves no meaningful purpose nowadays, except
possibly historical interest. (And for that, we have
On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 11:46:10AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
Hello everybody,
I have read a lot of scepticism about the Debian menu in this thread, and no
actual support for it. Perhaps I was trying to be too consensual and proposed
an over-complicated solution while it is clear that the
On Sun, Jan 05, 2014 at 02:53:12PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
Dear all,
Based on Josselin's contribution and the comments of Russ, I have written
a patch for the Debian Policy, that documents the use of the FreeDesktop
standards for the use of Desktop menus and media types (MIME).
Thanks,
On Mon, Dec 09, 2013 at 09:55:02PM -0400, David Prévot wrote:
diff --git a/policy.sgml b/policy.sgml
index dad8d23..4eb55d9 100644
--- a/policy.sgml
+++ b/policy.sgml
@@ -2367,8 +2367,7 @@ endif
This is an optional, recommended configuration file for the
ttuscan/tt
On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 12:03:53PM -0800, Jonathan Nieder wrote:
My hunch is to say that a package may remove /etc/greeting in this
case but by no means should. That is, something like the following
but hopefully less awkward:
Obsolete configuration files without local changes may be
On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 01:25:57PM +, Ximin Luo wrote:
Not having to support patch greatly simplifies things, but deprecation is
not mentioned anywhere in Section 4... Do you know how many existing packages
still use patch?
That's a good point: with the not-so-recent introduction of the
On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 01:55:38PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
[...]
In terms of quantity of work, I think that the documentation of the triggers
is
almost done. This said, the loud silence makes me feel that this work is very
controversal, so I am not sure if it will be part of the Policy
On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 06:01:10PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
Le Mon, Apr 08, 2013 at 12:18:37AM +0100, Julian Gilbey a écrit :
For consistency, I guess this should be /usr/games rather than
/usr/games/.
The final paragraph seems a little bit vague; would should be
restricted
On Sat, Apr 06, 2013 at 08:20:15PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
Here is a somewhat clumsy proposition.
sec id=filenames
headingFile names/heading
p
The name of the files installed by binary packages in the system
PATH
(namely tt/bin/tt,
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 06:02:50PM +0100, Bill Allombert wrote:
As such, I believe the requirement to compress files is an anachronism
that we should get rid of.
I do not like removing a useful requirement in exchange for nothing.
Debian is used on small systems where users still like to
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 11:14:00AM +0100, Carsten Hey wrote:
Package: developers-reference
Severity: wishlist
Maintainers might decide to add a special make target to prepare the
source tree for building, i.e., that make target is run by the
maintainer after a VCS checkout and possibly
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 02:46:15PM +0100, Carsten Hey wrote:
How would this relate to Policy 4.14 - debian/README.source?
[...]
The intention of this bug report is to unify the name of a target that
might be used more often soon, and it is not sufficient to reach this
goal if we rely on
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 11:18:53AM +0200, Bernhard R. Link wrote:
If you wanted to replace policy with a formal set of requirements and
descriptions like RFCs have them, then this argument could hold.
Is not policy mainly trying to do precisely this? If not, then what
is its purpose?
But
BOn Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 03:11:14PM +0200, Bernhard R. Link wrote:
1;2801;0c * Julian Gilbey jul...@d-and-j.net [111027 12:09]:
3.2: Unchanged,
So a package without a version is fine?
except in final paragraph where should be converted
is changed to SHOULD be converted.
So you
On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 03:43:26PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
I think it would be lovely to just use RFC 2119 language or a close
adaptation thereof. We're sort of reinventing the wheel here, and we're
not doing a very good job of it in terms of consistency and shared
understanding of the
On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 03:31:41AM +0100, gregor herrmann wrote:
What is boring (like for all CPAN modules) is to have the very same
information in 3 places (copyright, control, watch), therefore I'd
support a change like you sketched above (may be skipped if Homepage
is clear enough) or maybe
On Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 10:16:06PM +0100, Adam D. Barratt wrote:
So printf is slightly unwiedly to use and it can create
format string attack.
It does, however, have the advantage of working if BAR contains -E.
(This isn't a contrived example, it's why I recently changed the parsing
of
On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 03:37:37PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
Russ Allbery r...@debian.org writes:
I did a bit more research based on Osamu Aoki's excellent work.
Currently, these things are referred to using three different terms:
[...]
As mentioned, I'm not sure we need to match the
On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 11:31:41PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
Again, I thank all the folks who have been involved in Debian
technical policy development over the years, I think the technical
policy is one of the best things about Debian. It has been wonderful
working with all
On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 01:54:11PM +, Ian Jackson wrote:
I think therefore that we should add some statement to policy about
phoning home.
Agreed.
As a starting point:
* Software in Debian should not communicate over the network except
- in order to, and as necessary to, perform
On Sun, Jul 15, 2007 at 09:38:53AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
Hi folks,
This proposal is based on part of a talk I gave at debconf7, and
is about reorganizing the policy document(s). The current policy
document grew organically from the dpkg documentation, and the
packaging
On Thu, Nov 03, 2005 at 01:01:22AM -0200, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
On Tue, 01 Nov 2005, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
I was surprised to discover that the standard rules for Debian
revision numbers
(maintainer revisions contain no dots;
source NMUs contain one dots;
binary NMUs
On Fri, Oct 14, 2005 at 08:46:57PM +1000, Ben Finney wrote:
The section in the policy should say
Packages other than base-passwd must not modify /etc/passwd,
/etc/shadow, /etc/group or /etc/gshadow directly from their maintainer
scripts.
I'd suggest:
Maintainer scripts for packages
On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 12:03:01AM +0200, Miguel Gea Milvaques wrote:
Also, as this is a draft, the useage of /usr/share/PACKAGE/www may
change. IMO, it's probably not going to, but it may be worth keeping
(main) policy as is until we are in a position to release 1.0 of the
WebApps
of
http://lists.debian.org/... so that we can track these down?
Thanks,
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always use debian/interfaces or
debian/rules.targets or something similar instead
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-buildpackage will be allowed to do ...
etc.
But of course, this has to be done with the consent and coorperation
of the dpkg maintainers.
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-buildpackage just need to read this file before deciding
whether it can call debian/rules build-arch.
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is removed but not purged, the
script exits silently. I don't know whether LSB packages have such a
concept (removal vs. purge).
/ignorance
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the statoverride, their
changes will remain (for good or bad).
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explained, the problem is somewhat academic, though.
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On Sun, Apr 06, 2003 at 09:40:59PM -0400, Peter S Galbraith wrote:
6 weeks ago, Julian Gilbey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As things stand with the buildds, the -Indep fields are almost
useless, and it may actually be worth dumping the -Indep field
altogether. tomcat, tomcat4, bigloo, bochs
of +, -, or
., nor I have seen any package name with repeated .. I guess common
sense rules.
Policy 2.3.1: must begin with an alphanumeric.
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On Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 12:23:50AM -0600, Adam Heath wrote:
On Tue, 11 Feb 2003, Julian Gilbey wrote:
So given how few packages we are talking about, would it be worth the
buildds using all packages specified in both Build-Depends and
Build-Depends-Indep and phasing out Build-Depends
this distinction in policy. Of course, there is no
problem with individual packages doing this; it causes no harm.
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On Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 06:55:37PM +, James Troup wrote:
Julian Gilbey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
In that case, the buildds are broken: they don't install
Build-Depends-Indep, even though they do invoke the clean and build
targets of debian/rules (through dpkg-buildpackage). See
On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 02:46:27PM +1100, Anand Kumria wrote:
What is the opinion of this group?
Anand
As Joey pointed out, but with one addition:
Source: debian-policy
Section: doc
Priority: optional
Maintainer: Debian Policy List debian-policy@lists.debian.org
Uploaders: Julian Gilbey
targets of debian/rules (through dpkg-buildpackage). See
http://buildd.debian.org/fetch.php?pkg=freesciver=0.3.4a-2arch=alphastamp=1043707174file=logas=raw
for an example of this.
Correct.
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-Depends{,-Indep} fields were
originally designed or implemented was fundamentally broken, in that
the -Indep fields were useless.
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On Tue, Dec 10, 2002 at 12:34:17AM +0100, Denis Barbier wrote:
On Mon, Dec 09, 2002 at 11:28:46PM +, Julian Gilbey wrote:
[...]
I doubt that translators will need to extract such information in an
automatic manner.
If these informations were available,
http://www.debian.org/intl
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On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 11:09:33PM +1100, Brendan O'Dea wrote:
On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 09:46:01AM +, Julian Gilbey wrote:
On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 06:35:52PM +1100, Brendan O'Dea wrote:
Personally I prefer to rename the upstream tarball to .orig.tar.gz so it
is byte-for-byte identical
proposed at
http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/BROWSER/. Mostly because I never want to
configure again in a program what web browser to use.
Yes, yes, yes!!!
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Did anything ever come of this?
On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 10:23:01AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
Hi guys,
Okay, I guess it's time things got straightened out with regards to
scalable fonts in Debian.
As you are all probably aware, there is no current Debian Policy governing
fonts other
On Thu, Sep 26, 2002 at 08:15:58AM -0400, Anthony DeRobertis wrote:
On Fri, 2002-09-20 at 05:28, Julian Gilbey wrote:
Technical problems here. Among other things, you'd have symlinks
/bin/sh - /etc/alternatives/sh - /bin/something
What happens if /etc is corrupted or not mounted
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, but if not
[ducks and runs for cover!]
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root privileges. So the aim is to
build without fakeroot and then call the binary* targets under
fakeroot.
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Manoj!!
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See Ian Jackson's comments: this is, apparently, a spurious argument.
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guidelines (useful for package developers) and always be in sync - yeah!
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On Thu, Aug 01, 2002 at 12:08:03AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
On Wed, Jul 31, 2002 at 07:33:44AM -0600, Julian Gilbey wrote:
On Wed, Jul 31, 2002 at 02:13:36AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
__Debian Standards Document__
dpkg:
* version format
* maintainer scripts are run
On Wed, Jul 31, 2002 at 02:13:36AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
On Sun, Jul 28, 2002 at 07:29:57AM -0600, Julian Gilbey wrote:
To split the (often borderline) cases of specs versus guidelines seems
to me to be somewhat misguided.
Well, that's nice, but if our best reason is it seems to me
On Sun, Jul 28, 2002 at 01:31:26AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
On Thu, Jul 25, 2002 at 08:40:13AM -0600, Julian Gilbey wrote:
I'd like to rewrite policy soonish.
Into what, exactly?
Last time this came up we had a nice flamewar about it, but didn't seem
to resolve anything -- does
a look at it and comment further.
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On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 01:16:40AM -0500, Adam Heath wrote:
On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, Julian Gilbey wrote:
On Tue, Jun 04, 2002 at 07:18:45PM -0500, Adam Heath wrote:
On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Chris Waters wrote:
or, more simply:
build binary-arch binary-indep binary clean:
debian
debian/rules -q build-arch
to let us know whether a build-arch target exists, as will be required
to make the best use of the build-depends-indep/build-depends split.
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definition is that given by
policy.
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On Fri, May 10, 2002 at 03:48:28AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
On Mon, May 06, 2002 at 06:11:46PM +0100, Julian Gilbey wrote:
On Fri, May 03, 2002 at 08:02:50PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
I'm concerned about this because when I tried passing over
release-critical policy issues
On Fri, May 03, 2002 at 09:34:58PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
On Thu, May 02, 2002 at 10:09:11AM +0100, Julian Gilbey wrote:
Part I: The Debian Archive
1: DFSG and the sections of the archive (free, non-free, contrib, non-us)
Components is a much better word
of woody. We are still in this
freeze period, and both Manoj and I are itching to rewrite the current
spaghetti which is called policy.
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On Thu, May 02, 2002 at 03:20:45PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
Julian == Julian Gilbey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Julian On Thu, May 02, 2002 at 02:30:34PM +0200, Wichert Akkerman wrote:
Refer to a dpkg reference instead and document extra restrictions
Julian Surely either
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Previously Julian Gilbey wrote:
Part I: The Debian Archive
1: DFSG and the sections of the archive (free, non-free, contrib, non-us)
non-us is a different archive.
I understand; this was just an imprecise abbreviation
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It could be easily modified to give the required output.
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On Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 09:37:30PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
On Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 10:17:18AM +, Julian Gilbey wrote:
Anthony: will typographical changes such as these be accepted into
testing?
Yes. Just make sure it doesn't break stuff.
OK. But it might now wait till next week
On Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 09:38:07AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
Julian == Julian Gilbey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Julian I'll do it if Anthony gives the go-ahead.
Oh, there are also a few accepted virtual package names that
can also go in with no breakage ;-)
And some typos
the changelog.gz for
debian-native packages to parsable as debian-style changelogs. Given
Such as?
Also, are you also installing a changelog.Debian.gz in the same
package?
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the benefits of having it as a
separate file.
Hi Manoj!
I'm also thinking about radical changes to the layout of policy --
let's talk off-list about it in the first instance.
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and would deserve a separate directory like X
Interesting.
* Some proposed using /opt/kde3. Arguments:
Not as a Debian package. /opt is for third-party software.
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Visit http://www.thehungersite.com
and other external hardware.
Is that a good thing?
Yes.
Julian
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to dump an html file as plain text during the
build. Silly, but possible.
In fact, debian-policy does it ;-)
Julian
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Julian Gilbey, Dept of Maths, Debian GNU/Linux Developer
Queen Mary, Univ. of London see http://people.debian.org/~jdg/
http://www.maths.qmul.ac.uk/~jdg/ or http://www.debian.org
Anthony,
There are some URL errors in the current debian-policy package. Can
we upload a patched version without changing any other content?
Julian
On Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 12:07:58AM +0100, Josip Rodin wrote:
On Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 11:04:56PM +, Julian Gilbey wrote:
Where exactly
of this idea. I haven't had time to think
through the details.
Julian
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Queen Mary, Univ. of London see http://people.debian.org/~jdg/
http://www.maths.qmul.ac.uk/~jdg/ or http://www.debian.org/
Visit http://www.thehungersite.com/ to help feed the hungry
On Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 10:06:38PM +0100, Josip Rodin wrote:
On Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 08:56:13PM +, Julian Gilbey wrote:
Note to self:
Correct URLs are:
ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/doc/package-developer/mime-policy.txt.gz
ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/doc/package
! Will correct.
Will also do something with the URLs.
But it'll have to wait till woody is released.
Julian
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for the debian policy group to modify the FHS.
Cool. So should this be in policy?
Should what be?
Julian
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not for source files, but for header files to be included
during compilation.
Julian
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