Bug#112090: fw: Bug#112090: [PROPOSAL]: support reduced footprint debs at build time]

2001-09-17 Thread David Kimdon
This hack will be fixed as boot-floppies is deprecated with the post woody release. What's the point of putting it into policy? Only reason is that this is something we obviously needed to do in the past, so it is reasonable to expect the need in the future. Better to have a clean way of

Bug#112090: PROPOSAL]: support reduced footprint debs at build time]

2001-09-17 Thread Steve Greenland
On 17-Sep-01, 13:47 (CDT), David Kimdon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I see that we have a situation where we have created some specialized handling of certain packages. If we can find a way to generalize that handling so that it will be useful to more people I'd call that a win. That is what I

Bug#112090: fw: Bug#112090: [PROPOSAL]: support reduced footprint debs at build time]

2001-09-17 Thread Adam Di Carlo
David Kimdon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This hack will be fixed as boot-floppies is deprecated with the post woody release. What's the point of putting it into policy? Only reason is that this is something we obviously needed to do in the past, so it is reasonable to expect the need in

Bug#112090: [fw: Bug#112090: [PROPOSAL]: support reduced footprint debs at build time]

2001-09-16 Thread Adam Di Carlo
David Kimdon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The purpose of this change is to give Debian a more elegant way of handling reduced footprint debs. Rather than including special-purpose binaries in the archive (the status quo), I suggest we support hooks in source packages that produce size

Bug#112090: PROPOSAL]: support reduced footprint debs at build time

2001-09-13 Thread Richard Braakman
On Wed, Sep 12, 2001 at 06:13:33PM -0700, David Kimdon wrote: In any case, I tossed around other strings like 'reduced-size' or maybe 'optimize-footprint', etc. I propose small. That's basically what it means, and it's a single word which makes parsing easier. Also, if you intend to use the

Bug#112090: PROPOSAL]: support reduced footprint debs at build time

2001-09-13 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Richard Braakman wrote: - Specific compiler flags (-Os?) That one would make sense - Turning off compile-time options for rarely used features That's going to be highly controversial - No documentation (not even the copyright file?) - Installing most-popular subsets of

Bug#112090: PROPOSAL]: support reduced footprint debs at build time

2001-09-13 Thread David Kimdon
Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 02:39:46PM +0200 wrote: Previously Richard Braakman wrote: - Specific compiler flags (-Os?) That one would make sense - Turning off compile-time options for rarely used features That's going to be highly controversial FWIW that is one thing that e2fsprogs-bf

Bug#112090: PROPOSAL]: support reduced footprint debs at build time

2001-09-13 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously David Kimdon wrote: FWIW that is one thing that e2fsprogs-bf does. But that has a specific purpose, boot floppies. In the general case you have no idea what kind of usage you will get. I wish a non-invasive approach would solve the problem. However I don't think we will arrive at

Bug#112090: [PROPOSAL]: support reduced footprint debs at build time

2001-09-12 Thread David Kimdon
Package: debian-policy Version: 3.5.5.0 Severity: wishlist Hi, The purpose of this change is to give Debian a more elegant way of handling reduced footprint debs. Rather than including special-purpose binaries in the archive (the status quo), I suggest we support hooks in source packages that

Bug#112090: PROPOSAL]: support reduced footprint debs at build time

2001-09-12 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously David Kimdon wrote: The purpose of this change is to give Debian a more elegant way of handling reduced footprint debs. Rather than including special-purpose binaries in the archive (the status quo), I suggest we support hooks in source packages that produce size optimized

Bug#112090: PROPOSAL]: support reduced footprint debs at build time

2001-09-12 Thread David Kimdon
Euhm, you serious expect the installer to be able to compile itself during an install? Wichert. umm, no, looks like I said something confusing. I'm talking about the installer's build system, not the actual install. A bit more elaboration: Currently : boot-floppies - when we are

Bug#112090: PROPOSAL]: support reduced footprint debs at build time

2001-09-12 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Wed, Sep 12, 2001 at 04:01:20PM -0700, David Kimdon wrote: Both systems grab source pacakages during the build, rather than binaries. embedded is put into DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS, and the packages are compiled small, fit for boot-floppies or debian-installer. We then take those generated binary

Bug#112090: PROPOSAL]: support reduced footprint debs at build time

2001-09-12 Thread Joey Hess
David Kimdon wrote: boot-floppies - when we are creating the _install_ root filesystem we apt-get a bunch of binary packages, extract them into a temporary area, remove stuff we don't want, do library reduction etc.. Some of the packages that we grab are special *-bf packages, smaller

Bug#112090: PROPOSAL]: support reduced footprint debs at build time

2001-09-12 Thread David Kimdon
Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 01:39:50AM +0100 wrote: On Wed, Sep 12, 2001 at 04:01:20PM -0700, David Kimdon wrote: Both systems grab source pacakages during the build, rather than binaries. embedded is put into DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS, and the packages are compiled small, fit for boot-floppies or

Bug#112090: PROPOSAL]: support reduced footprint debs at build time

2001-09-12 Thread Joey Hess
David Kimdon wrote: Sorry, no. Take for example pump-udeb. It has a maintainer, all is distributed, the only difference is where it gets built. The parts of debian-installer that have no life outside of debian-installer may just live as source packages, and not be built, much like

Bug#112090: PROPOSAL]: support reduced footprint debs at build time

2001-09-12 Thread David Kimdon
Wed, Sep 12, 2001 at 09:06:12PM -0400 wrote: David Kimdon wrote: boot-floppies - when we are creating the _install_ root filesystem we apt-get a bunch of binary packages, extract them into a temporary area, remove stuff we don't want, do library reduction etc.. Some of the packages that

Bug#112090: PROPOSAL]: support reduced footprint debs at build time

2001-09-12 Thread David Kimdon
Wed, Sep 12, 2001 at 09:30:15PM -0400 wrote: David Kimdon wrote: Sorry, no. Take for example pump-udeb. It has a maintainer, all is distributed, the only difference is where it gets built. The parts of debian-installer that have no life outside of debian-installer may just live as