Le Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 08:27:33PM +0100, Moritz Muehlenhoff a écrit :
> On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 02:04:01AM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote:
> >
> > Regarding the same issue, I talked to Christian, as tasksel
> > co-maintainer, a while ago, to drop menu from the desktop task. If my
> > memory serves me
On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 02:04:01AM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote:
> Hi Russ, hi Sune,
>
> I'd like to second this request to reword the current section in the
> policy regarding menu files, suggesting fdo .desktop files as the
> recommended mechanism and make it clear that .menu files are only really
On 14-05-13 23:28, Bill Allombert wrote:
> On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 12:51:13PM +0200, Sune Vuorela wrote:
>> For fluxbox, openbox, blackbox, fvwm, icewm, windowmaker, gnustep and
>> probably
>> others, there exists scripts that convert a XDG menu structure into their
>> own
>> formats, not unlik
On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 07:27:00PM +0200, Matthias Klumpp wrote:
> 2013/5/15 Bernhard R. Link :
> > * Bill Allombert [130515 12:54]:
> >> The menu layout files are XML. While the standard does not mandate the use
> >> of
> >> XSLT, it requires manipulation of XML files which are equivalent to XSL
2013/5/15 Bernhard R. Link :
> * Bill Allombert [130515 12:54]:
>> The menu layout files are XML. While the standard does not mandate the use of
>> XSLT, it requires manipulation of XML files which are equivalent to XSLT
>> processing.
>
> Window managers do not really need to be exposed to this f
* Bill Allombert [130515 12:54]:
> The menu layout files are XML. While the standard does not mandate the use of
> XSLT, it requires manipulation of XML files which are equivalent to XSLT
> processing.
Window managers do not really need to be exposed to this format. The
menu program could just re
On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 12:05:11PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> On 14-05-13 23:31, Bill Allombert wrote:
> > On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 12:50:14PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
> >> Wouter Verhelst writes:
> >>> On 13-05-13 10:02, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> >>
> Packages can, to be compat
On 14-05-13 23:31, Bill Allombert wrote:
> On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 12:50:14PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
>> Wouter Verhelst writes:
>>> On 13-05-13 10:02, Josselin Mouette wrote:
>>
Packages can, to be compatible with Debian additions to some
legacy window managers, also
On 15-05-13 08:23, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> (Your last mail was not sent to the BTS but to the ML directly)
>
> On Tue, 14 May 2013, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
>> I didn't mean to imply someone other than the relevant UI maintainers
>> would need to write code for this to happen; we could simply add s
(Your last mail was not sent to the BTS but to the ML directly)
On Tue, 14 May 2013, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> I didn't mean to imply someone other than the relevant UI maintainers
> would need to write code for this to happen; we could simply add some
> wording along the lines of
>
> packages t
Charles Plessy writes:
> I would like to integrate it while keeping the instructions about the
> Debian menu and the mailcap entries. Here is my proposition.
> 9.6 : Packages should support at least one of the FreeDesktop and the Debian
> menu system.
I'm not sure "at least one" does any
Le Mon, May 13, 2013 at 10:02:50AM +0200, Josselin Mouette a écrit :
> Le dimanche 12 mai 2013 à 16:06 -0700, Russ Allbery a écrit :
> > Josselin Mouette writes:
> > > How about simply “not useful as a standalone application”?
> >
> > That sounds great to me.
>
> Here is a new proposed wording
On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 12:50:14PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Wouter Verhelst writes:
> > On 13-05-13 10:02, Josselin Mouette wrote:
>
> >> Packages can, to be compatible with Debian additions to some
> >> legacy window managers, also provide a menu file. Such menu
> >>
On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 12:51:13PM +0200, Sune Vuorela wrote:
> On Sunday 12 May 2013 12:07:30 Bill Allombert wrote:
>
> > > And it is probably similar for many other window managers and desktop
> > > environments.
> >
> > How many window managers support the XDG menu specification ?
>
> Most[tm
Wouter Verhelst writes:
> Linking to it explicitly might make sense then, indeed. Even if the
> desktop file spec already links to that, I think it makes sense to
> explicitly say "we care about consistency in categories, and here's the
> list of categories you should use". If we later on decide
Wouter Verhelst writes:
> On 13-05-13 10:02, Josselin Mouette wrote:
>> Packages can, to be compatible with Debian additions to some
>> legacy window managers, also provide a menu file. Such menu
>> entries should follow the Debian menu policy, which can be found
>>
Hi Russ,
For clarity: I never meant to say we should hold off on discouraging
desktop files unless and until all that is available; just that we
should consider all those things too, and that (at some point) we need
to ensure we have them. Since we're discussing changing to desktop
files now, how
On 13-05-13 10:02, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> * The maintainer should use the “debian-desktop” mailing
> list too coordinate with maintainers of menu
> implementations, in order to avoid bad interactions with
> other icons or wrong catego
Wouter Verhelst writes:
> It refers to some (unspecified) window manager implementations as
> "legacy", which I think is a no-go (if they're supported in Debian, by
> definition they're not legacy).
I think it's fair to say that not supporting desktop files for the menu
infrastructure makes a wi
Hi,
On 12-05-13 02:04, Michael Biebl wrote:
> Hi Russ, hi Sune,
>
> I'd like to second this request to reword the current section in the
> policy regarding menu files, suggesting fdo .desktop files as the
> recommended mechanism and make it clear that .menu files are only really
> relevant for le
In general, seconded. Thank you for writing this up! The following are
mostly editing notes intended for whoever (possibly myself if I can find
time) might turn this into SGML.
Josselin Mouette writes:
> 9.6 Menus
> Packages shipping applications that belong in the menu of a
>
On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 10:22:18AM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> I don’t think the basic purpose is different. It’s just that so far, the
> Debian menu maintainers have put menu completeness before usability. We
> should use the opportunity of a policy change to take care of that.
It is unfair
Le dimanche 12 mai 2013 à 16:06 -0700, Russ Allbery a écrit :
> Josselin Mouette writes:
> > How about simply “not useful as a standalone application”?
>
> That sounds great to me.
Here is a new proposed wording with all your suggestions.
9.6 Menus
Packages shipping applications that
Le Sun, May 12, 2013 at 04:06:48PM -0700, Russ Allbery a écrit :
>
> > The latest mime-support in unstable makes use of desktop files. So while
> > for menu it still makes sense to ship legacy menu files, for MIME it is
> > not necessary anymore.
>
> Oh! Right, I remember that now; sorry about f
Josselin Mouette writes:
> Le dimanche 12 mai 2013 à 08:03 -0700, Russ Allbery a écrit :
>> I'm not sure that "mostly called from the terminal" is quite the right
>> way of phrasing the point, but I'm not sure what the right way of
>> handling it is. My feeling is that things that make sense as
Le dimanche 12 mai 2013 à 08:03 -0700, Russ Allbery a écrit :
> > * If the application will only be used directly in rare
> > cases – mostly called from a terminal, or used solely as
> > handler for a given MIME type, for example – the desktop
> >
Josselin Mouette writes:
> You are also right about MIME handling; now that you have updated
> mime-support in unstable (thanks!). As such, let me propose an alternate
> wording.
This looks like the right idea to me.
> 9.6 Menus
>
> Packages shipping applications that belong in
On Sunday 12 May 2013 12:07:30 Bill Allombert wrote:
> > And it is probably similar for many other window managers and desktop
> > environments.
>
> How many window managers support the XDG menu specification ?
Most[tm]
It is *the* menu in Gnome, in KDE's workspaces, in XFCE, in LXDE, in razor-
On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 10:07:08PM +0200, Sune Vuorela wrote:
> Package: debian-policy
> Severity: normal
>
> Dear Maintainer,
>
> In the default desktop installation of Debian, the Debian menu is
> actively hidden (On GNOME by a patch to gnome-menus).
>
> In the - I think - most common alterna
Hi,
Le dimanche 12 mai 2013 à 10:08 +0900, Charles Plessy a écrit :
> If we were to recommend FreeDesktop menu entries instead of Debian menu
> entires, and if this recommendation were followed carefully, this would
> increase the number of entries in the Gnome and KDE menus on some sytems where
On Sunday 12 May 2013 12:09:28 Charles Plessy wrote:
> Hi again,
>
> here are a few clarification in addition to the answer from Russ. I assume
> that, as for Gnome, it is possible for KDE to hide the whole Debian menu if
> wanted, so the question is about possible proliferation of FreeDestkop
>
On Saturday 11 May 2013 19:44:13 Russ Allbery wrote:
> Do you want them to? A straightforward reading of this modification to
> Policy, were I the bc and dc maintainer, would indicate that I should add
> a desktop file to the package.
There is as such nothing wrong with it, and the spec even su
Le Sun, May 12, 2013 at 04:22:56AM +0200, Sune Vuorela a écrit :
>
> > About the current patch, I think that the mention of "legacy debian
> > additions to some legacy window managers" is not informative as it does not
> > provide guidance. For the both menu systems, I would like to have
> > expl
Sune Vuorela writes:
> On Sunday 12 May 2013 10:08:52 Charles Plessy wrote:
>> If we were to recommend FreeDesktop menu entries instead of Debian menu
>> entires, and if this recommendation were followed carefully, this would
>> increase the number of entries in the Gnome and KDE menus on some
>>
Hi Charles
Thank you for your questions
On Sunday 12 May 2013 10:08:52 Charles Plessy wrote:
> If we were to recommend FreeDesktop menu entries instead of Debian menu
> entires, and if this recommendation were followed carefully, this would
> increase the number of entries in the Gnome and KDE me
On Sat 11 May 2013 21:04:01 Michael Biebl escribió:
> Hi Russ, hi Sune,
>
> I'd like to second this request to reword the current section in the
> policy regarding menu files, suggesting fdo .desktop files as the
> recommended mechanism and make it clear that .menu files are only really
> relevant
Le Sat, May 11, 2013 at 10:48:47PM +0200, Sune Vuorela a écrit :
>
> Menus
>
> -
> - The Debian menu package provides a standard
> - interface between packages providing applications and
> - menu programs (either X window managers or
> - text
Hi Russ, hi Sune,
I'd like to second this request to reword the current section in the
policy regarding menu files, suggesting fdo .desktop files as the
recommended mechanism and make it clear that .menu files are only really
relevant for legacy or more exotic window managers.
Sune's patch looks f
On Saturday 11 May 2013 13:36:36 Russ Allbery wrote:
> I think I agree with this move, but I'd really like it to come in
> conjunction with adding a recommendation to include a desktop file, since
> that's what most of the desktop environments actually use. That way, we
> don't lose functionality.
Sune Vuorela writes:
> So let's soften the wording a little around debian menu files in policy
> so that people don't feel like they *have* to create menu files that
> aren't much used.
I think I agree with this move, but I'd really like it to come in
conjunction with adding a recommendation to
Package: debian-policy
Severity: normal
Dear Maintainer,
In the default desktop installation of Debian, the Debian menu is
actively hidden (On GNOME by a patch to gnome-menus).
In the - I think - most common alternate used desktop setup (KDE Plasma
Desktop), the Debian menu looks like a weird
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