Bug#801065: Section 6.4 - discourage failing install or upgrade when service fails to start

2015-10-08 Thread Marvin Renich
* Henrique de Moraes Holschuh [151007 09:42]: > On Mon, Oct 5, 2015, at 22:13, Marvin Renich wrote: > > The discussion started on d-devel; should it be moved back there? The > > overwhelming majority of opinion seems to be in favor of the change. > > We have supported per-package behavior on thi

Re: Bug#801065: Section 6.4 - discourage failing install or upgrade when service fails to start

2015-10-07 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Mon, Oct 5, 2015, at 22:13, Marvin Renich wrote: > The discussion started on d-devel; should it be moved back there? The > overwhelming majority of opinion seems to be in favor of the change. We have supported per-package behavior on this for a very long time, maybe since forever (this is no j

Bug#801065: Section 6.4 - discourage failing install or upgrade when service fails to start

2015-10-05 Thread Marvin Renich
* Russ Allbery [151005 18:24]: > I'm also in favor. However, this is a very substantial change to Debian > practice, and I'm not sure what process should be used for making this > kind of decision. This wasn't a gap in our specification; rather, the > previous standard was explicitly chosen (by

Bug#801065: Section 6.4 - discourage failing install or upgrade when service fails to start

2015-10-05 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Russ" == Russ Allbery writes: Yeah, but there's a significant factor that reduces things somewhat. In the past, /etc/init.d/foo failing would often cause postinst to break. However, in the past, there were a lot of failures that were not detected by the init.d script. We have two intention

Bug#801065: Section 6.4 - discourage failing install or upgrade when service fails to start

2015-10-05 Thread Bill Allombert
On Mon, Oct 05, 2015 at 03:20:34PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > Sam Hartman writes: > >> "Marvin" == Marvin Renich writes: > > > Marvin> As discussed on debian-devel starting at [1], I would like a > > Marvin> comment added to Section 6.4 "Best practices for maintainer > > Marvin

Bug#801065: Section 6.4 - discourage failing install or upgrade when service fails to start

2015-10-05 Thread Russ Allbery
Sam Hartman writes: >> "Marvin" == Marvin Renich writes: > Marvin> As discussed on debian-devel starting at [1], I would like a > Marvin> comment added to Section 6.4 "Best practices for maintainer > Marvin> scripts" that recommends preventing the postinst script from > Marvi

Bug#801065: Section 6.4 - discourage failing install or upgrade when service fails to start

2015-10-05 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Marvin" == Marvin Renich writes: Marvin> As discussed on debian-devel starting at [1], I would like a Marvin> comment added to Section 6.4 "Best practices for maintainer Marvin> scripts" that recommends preventing the postinst script from Marvin> returning failure when a se

Bug#801065: Section 6.4 - discourage failing install or upgrade when service fails to start

2015-10-05 Thread Marvin Renich
Package: developers-reference Version: 3.4.16 Severity: wishlist As discussed on debian-devel starting at [1], I would like a comment added to Section 6.4 "Best practices for maintainer scripts" that recommends preventing the postinst script from returning failure when a service fails to start. A