Re: Offering Powerbook for someone who will use it for this project

2023-05-10 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, 2023-05-10 at 12:57 -0400, Sam Imberman wrote: > I have a Powerbook G4 12" that I no longer use, that I would like to > contribute to someone who will use it for the improvement of > Debian/Linux on these computers. If you don't find any takers, you can list it on the hardware donations

Re: Why it's so difficult to fix PowerMac booting for good

2023-05-10 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Wed, May 10, 2023 at 04:58:06PM +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > Well, it works with ISO images, that's the point. The installation CDs use > iso9660 > as their filesystem and they have a blessed bootloader which shows in the > firmware's > boot menu. > > Thomas Schmitt briefly

Re: Installer doesn't find the mirrors

2023-05-10 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Frank Scheiner wrote: > > I believe you > > can't have both FAT as OF bootstrap partition **and** blessing. The only way would be that Apple had defined some protocol using the specified capabilities of FAT, by which blessing and other Apple-specific file properties can be expressed, and

Offering Powerbook for someone who will use it for this project

2023-05-10 Thread Sam Imberman
Hi all, I have a Powerbook G4 12" that I no longer use, that I would like to contribute to someone who will use it for the improvement of Debian/Linux on these computers. I am in Canada and would only request that the recipient cover the cost of shipping. If you are interested, please contact me

Re: Why it's so difficult to fix PowerMac booting for good

2023-05-10 Thread Stan Johnson
Hi Adrian, On 5/10/23 3:36 AM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > Hello! > > On Wed, 2023-05-10 at 11:25 +0200, Frank Scheiner wrote: >> On 10.05.23 10:24, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: >>> [...] >>> If we could get Apple PowerMac machines to boot from a FAT filesystem, the >>> licensing >>>

Re: Why it's so difficult to fix PowerMac booting for good

2023-05-10 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
Hi! On Wed, 2023-05-10 at 16:50 +0200, Frank Scheiner wrote: > On 10.05.23 11:36, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > > Does your approach include a blessing tool? > > Not that I know of. The grub image (a copy of GRUB's `core.elf`) in the > root of the OF bootstrap partition is configured in the

Re: Why it's so difficult to fix PowerMac booting for good

2023-05-10 Thread Frank Scheiner
Hallo, On 10.05.23 11:36, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: Does your approach include a blessing tool? Not that I know of. The grub image (a copy of GRUB's `core.elf`) in the root of the OF bootstrap partition is configured in the OF environment var `boot-device`. OF therefore knows what file

Re: Why it's so difficult to fix PowerMac booting for good

2023-05-10 Thread Martina Hřebcová
Hi Adrian! thank you for detailed explanation. I am in situation, when installing Debian Sid after several years. Previously I have Debian 8 ( with yaboot ) and then Debian 10 with some grub workaround. I simply forgot howto do it an cannot find the new how-to. This info is perfect. So I

Re: Why it's so difficult to fix PowerMac booting for good

2023-05-10 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
Hello! On Wed, 2023-05-10 at 11:25 +0200, Frank Scheiner wrote: > On 10.05.23 10:24, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > > [...] > > If we could get Apple PowerMac machines to boot from a FAT filesystem, the > > licensing > > issue with hfsprogs would no longer be a headache. According to Apple's

Re: Why it's so difficult to fix PowerMac booting for good

2023-05-10 Thread Frank Scheiner
Hi Adrian, On 10.05.23 10:24, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: [...] If we could get Apple PowerMac machines to boot from a FAT filesystem, the licensing issue with hfsprogs would no longer be a headache. According to Apple's documentation, booting from a FAT boot partition should work [4]

Re: Installer doesn't find the mirrors

2023-05-10 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > What's the alternative HFS+ tree of the ISO? Does it write a small HFS+ > filesystem onto the ISO image? Alternative trees are tradition in ISO 9660: Joliet, ISO 9660:1999, UDF. They can refer to the same data file content as the ISO 9660 tree, but have

Why it's so difficult to fix PowerMac booting for good

2023-05-10 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
Hello! Since this topic is coming up from time to time, here a short rundown why making the bootloader installation on Apple PowerMac systems work properly. Installing a bootloader on a PowerMac requires an HFS or HFS+ partition where the initial bootloader must be copied and "blessed" such that

Re: Installer doesn't find the mirrors

2023-05-10 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
Hello! On Wed, 2023-05-10 at 10:03 +0200, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > John Paul Adrian Glaubitz: > > I just don't know how to bless a bootloader located on a FAT partition. > > I know that xorriso does it and it works on ISO9660 filesystems, but I > > don't understand how. > > xorriso attributes

Re: Installer doesn't find the mirrors

2023-05-10 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz: > I just don't know how to bless a bootloader located on a FAT partition. > I know that xorriso does it and it works on ISO9660 filesystems, but I > don't understand how. xorriso attributes blessing to an alternative HFS+ tree of the ISO. This HFS+ tree is

Re: Installer doesn't find the mirrors

2023-05-10 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
Hi Stan! Apologies for the late reply! On Tue, 2023-05-02 at 12:35 -0600, Stan Johnson wrote: > On 5/2/23 7:24 AM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > > ... > > > > The former issue could be resolved if someone could find out how to boot > > a PowerPC Mac from a FAT32 boot partition. It's

New Debian Sid installation - how to?

2023-05-10 Thread Martina Hřebcová
Hi, after several years I want to install Debian Sid again on my Powermac G5 Quad  and AmigaOne X1000. Please, what is the right steps for installing on Powermac G5? 1. I tried debian-11.0.0-ppc64-NETINST-1.iso from /cdimage/ports/snapshots/2022-12-09 but there is no hfs tools and