On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, John Goerzen wrote:
> Package: util-linux
> Version: 2.11l-1
> Severity: important
>
> On many PowerPC machines (maybe all?), the program "clock" should be used
> from powerpc-utils. Using hwclock actually hangs the bootup procedure
> because it confuses the RTC driver in the
On Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 06:37:05PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, John Goerzen wrote:
>
> > Package: util-linux
> > Version: 2.11l-1
> > Severity: important
> >
> > On many PowerPC machines (maybe all?), the program "clock" should be used
> > from powerpc-utils. Using hwclock ac
Daniel Jacobowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> John, what kernel/machine do you have hwclock causing a hang? I'm not
> sure off the top of my head what the status is in 2.2, but 2.4 has a
> "proper" /dev/rtc driver. We should be using hwclock. Clock is an
> awful ADB-bit-bashing hack that need
On Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 06:37:05PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, John Goerzen wrote:
>
> > Package: util-linux
> > Version: 2.11l-1
> > Severity: important
> >
> > On many PowerPC machines (maybe all?), the program "clock" should be used
> > from powerpc-utils. Using hwclock ac
On Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 12:40:51PM -0500, John Goerzen wrote:
> Daniel Jacobowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > John, what kernel/machine do you have hwclock causing a hang? I'm not
> > sure off the top of my head what the status is in 2.2, but 2.4 has a
> > "proper" /dev/rtc driver. We shou
On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, Ethan Benson wrote:
> you configured it wrong then.
>
> CONFIG_RTC=n
> CONFIG_PPC_RTC=y
>
> that is the correct config. yours is no doubt backwards.
Has anyone considered patching the kernel config scripts so that it just
won't even ASK about the "Enhanced Real-time Clock",
On Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 08:41:45PM -0600, Derrik Pates wrote:
> Has anyone considered patching the kernel config scripts so that it just
> won't even ASK about the "Enhanced Real-time Clock", since this is 100%
> _wrong_ for PowerPCs?
It's a) ugly and b) wrong, since it does work on some PPCs.
-
On Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 06:37:05PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, John Goerzen wrote:
>
> > Package: util-linux
> > Version: 2.11l-1
> > Severity: important
> >
> > On many PowerPC machines (maybe all?), the program "clock" should be used
> > from powerpc-utils. Using hwclock ac
At 13:16 Uhr -0400 23.10.2001, Daniel Jacobowitz wrote:
(...)
John, what kernel/machine do you have hwclock causing a hang? I'm not
sure off the top of my head what the status is in 2.2, but 2.4 has a
"proper" /dev/rtc driver. We should be using hwclock. Clock is an
awful ADB-bit-bashing
On Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 08:33:24PM -0700, Tom Rini wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 08:41:45PM -0600, Derrik Pates wrote:
>
> > Has anyone considered patching the kernel config scripts so that it just
> > won't even ASK about the "Enhanced Real-time Clock", since this is 100%
> > _wrong_ for Power
On Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 06:19:09AM +0200, Robert Bar wrote:
> At 13:16 Uhr -0400 23.10.2001, Daniel Jacobowitz wrote:
> > (...)
> > John, what kernel/machine do you have hwclock causing a hang? I'm not
> > sure off the top of my head what the status is in 2.2, but 2.4 has a
> > "proper" /dev/r
Ethan Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> you should not change it. this is caused by misconfigured kernels, on
> powerpc the kernel *MUST* be compiled with CONFIG_PPC_RTC and NOT
> CONFIG_RTC, the latter must be disabled, completely.
And this is documented where? Why is CONFIG_RTC even offere
Ethan Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> you configured it wrong then.
>
> CONFIG_RTC=n
> CONFIG_PPC_RTC=y
>
> that is the correct config. yours is no doubt backwards.
No, mine has both compiled as a module.
> the clock program as Dan put it is a kludge that must die, and a
> couple users m
On Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 08:54:45AM -0500, John Goerzen wrote:
> Ethan Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > you should not change it. this is caused by misconfigured kernels, on
> > powerpc the kernel *MUST* be compiled with CONFIG_PPC_RTC and NOT
> > CONFIG_RTC, the latter must be disabled, c
On Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 08:57:34AM -0500, John Goerzen wrote:
> Ethan Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > you configured it wrong then.
> >
> > CONFIG_RTC=n
> > CONFIG_PPC_RTC=y
> >
> > that is the correct config. yours is no doubt backwards.
>
> No, mine has both compiled as a module.
w
On Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 08:57:34AM -0500, John Goerzen wrote:
> [snip] Perhaps you should
> implement a telepathic kernel configuration interface so that
> everybody that reads the documentation knows the extra five paragraphs
> that appear nowhere?
Well, the defconfig which gives you the sugges
On Wed, 2001-10-24 at 09:45, Ethan Benson wrote:
> you generally have to manually upgrade kernel packages
Virtual packages like kernel-image-apus might be a good idea?
--
Earthling Michel Dänzer (MrCooper)/ Debian GNU/Linux (powerpc) developer
XFree86 and DRI project member / CS student, Fr
On Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 11:58:44PM +0200, Michel Dänzer wrote:
> On Wed, 2001-10-24 at 09:45, Ethan Benson wrote:
>
> > you generally have to manually upgrade kernel packages
>
> Virtual packages like kernel-image-apus might be a good idea?
manual upgrade of kernels is intentional, it was decide
Hi Daniel, hi *,
after reading this discussion I have the following questions/remarks:
As far as I understand it clock from powerpc-utils is obsolete and you can
use hwclock on all machines (including PReP machines?). Does that mean you
will remove the clock program from powerpc-utils?
I don't h
On Sat, Oct 27, 2001 at 02:32:41PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> Hi Daniel, hi *,
>
> after reading this discussion I have the following questions/remarks:
>
> As far as I understand it clock from powerpc-utils is obsolete and you can
> use hwclock on all machines (including PReP machines?). Does t
On Sat, Oct 27, 2001 at 02:32:41PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> Hi Daniel, hi *,
>
> after reading this discussion I have the following questions/remarks:
>
> As far as I understand it clock from powerpc-utils is obsolete and you can
> use hwclock on all machines (including PReP machines?). Does t
> > BTW: Out of interest: What is the history of the renaming of "fdisk" to
> > "ddisk" on powerpc?
>
> I've no idea. I'd never heard of this, in fact. I bet it stands for
> DOS fDISK; it reads DOS partition tables and not Apple ones, and
> mac-fdisk supplies the 'fdisk' binary.
The fdisk b
On Sun, Oct 28, 2001 at 04:06:34PM +0100, Michael Schmitz wrote:
> > > BTW: Out of interest: What is the history of the renaming of "fdisk" to
> > > "ddisk" on powerpc?
> >
> > I've no idea. I'd never heard of this, in fact. I bet it stands for
> > DOS fDISK; it reads DOS partition tables an
On Sun, 28 Oct 2001, Daniel Jacobowitz wrote:
> > As far as I understand it clock from powerpc-utils is obsolete and you can
> > use hwclock on all machines (including PReP machines?). Does that mean you
> > will remove the clock program from powerpc-utils?
>
> No, I'm not going to; it's obsolete,
On Sun, Oct 28, 2001 at 08:16:50PM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Oct 2001, Daniel Jacobowitz wrote:
>
> > > As far as I understand it clock from powerpc-utils is obsolete and you can
> > > use hwclock on all machines (including PReP machines?). Does that mean you
> > > will remove the clo
Adrian Bunk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> As far as I understand it clock from powerpc-utils is obsolete and you can
> use hwclock on all machines (including PReP machines?). Does that mean you
> will remove the clock program from powerpc-utils?
I'm not so sure this is true. I've had terrible tr
On Wed, 2001-10-31 at 14:58, John Goerzen wrote:
> Adrian Bunk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > As far as I understand it clock from powerpc-utils is obsolete and you can
> > use hwclock on all machines (including PReP machines?). Does that mean you
> > will remove the clock program from powerpc-
On Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 08:58:13AM -0500, John Goerzen wrote:
> Adrian Bunk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > As far as I understand it clock from powerpc-utils is obsolete and you can
> > use hwclock on all machines (including PReP machines?). Does that mean you
> > will remove the clock program
On Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 03:12:49PM +0100, Michel Dänzer wrote:
>
> That happens to me when I have a bad crash or similar, are you sure it
> happens for you when hwclock is run? Even if yes, hwclock uses /dev/rtc
> so the problem is likely there.
this problem is not specific to linux, macos has th
On Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 08:58:13AM -0500, John Goerzen wrote:
> Adrian Bunk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > As far as I understand it clock from powerpc-utils is obsolete and you can
> > use hwclock on all machines (including PReP machines?). Does that mean you
> > will remove the clock program
Tom Rini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Is this a PReP box you're talking about? What kernel are you running
> and did you set a date on the box from PPCBUG to start with? hwclock is
> quite happy on mine, and PRePs don't have ADB anyhow so the evil clock
> hack program can't do anything.
It's a
On Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 11:20:17AM -0500, John Goerzen wrote:
> Tom Rini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Is this a PReP box you're talking about? What kernel are you running
> > and did you set a date on the box from PPCBUG to start with? hwclock is
> > quite happy on mine, and PRePs don't hav
On Wed, Oct 31, John Goerzen wrote:
> Adrian Bunk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > As far as I understand it clock from powerpc-utils is obsolete and you can
> > use hwclock on all machines (including PReP machines?). Does that mean you
> > will remove the clock program from powerpc-utils?
>
>
On Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 07:17:59PM +0100, Olaf Hering wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 31, John Goerzen wrote:
>
> > Adrian Bunk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > > As far as I understand it clock from powerpc-utils is obsolete and you can
> > > use hwclock on all machines (including PReP machines?). Does
On 31 Oct, this message from Chris Tillman echoed through cyberspace:
> On Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 07:17:59PM +0100, Olaf Hering wrote:
>> On Wed, Oct 31, John Goerzen wrote:
>>
>> > Adrian Bunk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> >
>> > > As far as I understand it clock from powerpc-utils is obsolete a
On Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 09:15:43AM +0100, Michel Lanners wrote:
>
> FWIW, I don't think recent PowerBooks even have a PRAM battery; I think
> they only have the main battery. Older ones (my PB500 comes to mind) had
> a small watch-style battery for clock and nvram backup.
well i think nvram setti
Ethan Benson wrote:
On Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 09:15:43AM +0100, Michel Lanners wrote:
FWIW, I don't think recent PowerBooks even have a PRAM battery; I think
they only have the main battery. Older ones (my PB500 comes to mind) had
a small watch-style battery for clock and nvram backup.
well i
On Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 08:28:31PM +0100, Christoph Ewering wrote:
> But iBooks do not have this battery. If you remove the main-battery the
> NVRAM-settings and RTC are toasted in a few seconds or minutes.
rtc for sure, but i don't think nvram settings will be lost.
unless they changed it agai
Ethan Benson wrote:
On Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 08:28:31PM +0100, Christoph Ewering wrote:
But iBooks do not have this battery. If you remove the main-battery the
NVRAM-settings and RTC are toasted in a few seconds or minutes.
rtc for sure, but i don't think nvram settings will be lost.
unle
On Mon, Nov 05, 2001 at 11:41:11AM +0100, Christoph Ewering wrote:
> Do you unplug the mainboard from the powersupply?
yup.
>
>
> Apple calls this a "mainboard reset"
> 1. unplug AC-Powercord
> 2. remove the mainboard battery
> 3. disconnet powersupply from mainboard
> 4. press the startup-but
On Sun, 28 Oct 2001, Tom Rini wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 28, 2001 at 08:16:50PM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> > All right. Is the special casing of the PReP machines obsolete, too or
> > should I keep it?
>
> Obsolete.
Thanks for this clarification, I'll remove the special handling for
PReP machines in t
Hi. I've just grabbed the sid util-linux, and come across the following
problem on install:
(Reading database ... 40457 files and directories currently installed.)
Preparing to replace util-linux 2.11l-4 (using util-linux_2.11l-4_powerpc.deb)
...
Unpacking replacement util-linux ...
Setting up ut
On Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 11:18:39PM -0800, Ethan Benson wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 08:33:24PM -0700, Tom Rini wrote:
> > On Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 08:41:45PM -0600, Derrik Pates wrote:
> >
> > > Has anyone considered patching the kernel config scripts so that it just
> > > won't even ASK about
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