Re: OT: Huge Right to Repair Win for Consumers

2021-06-30 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, Stan Johnson wrote: > Here's a more recent example: I've been trying to figure out how to > install a more modern Linux kernel on a PowerMac 6100. More than 20 > years ago, Apple teamed up with the now-defunct OSF to use the Mach 3.0 > microkernel along with Apple's customized version of a 2

Re: OT: Huge Right to Repair Win for Consumers

2021-06-10 Thread Alex Perez
Milan Kupcevic wrote on 6/10/21 6:10 AM: > On 6/10/21 12:53 AM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: >> On 6/10/21 2:08 AM, Paul Wise wrote: The report and its recommendations may provide a means to pierce the veil of closed platforms, like closed-sourced firmware. >>> >>> It seems unlikel

Re: OT: Huge Right to Repair Win for Consumers

2021-06-10 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 06:53:57AM +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > So, why should laws protect the intellectual property of software companies > but not the IP of hardware companies? Ideally it shouldn't. > What supporters euphemistically call a "right to repair" is in reality an > init

Re: OT: Huge Right to Repair Win for Consumers

2021-06-10 Thread Stan Johnson
On 6/9/21 10:53 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > On 6/10/21 2:08 AM, Paul Wise wrote: >>> The report and its recommendations may provide a means >>> to pierce the veil of closed platforms, like closed-sourced firmware. >> >> It seems unlikely to me that we will ever see a "Right to Repair" fo

Re: OT: Huge Right to Repair Win for Consumers

2021-06-10 Thread Matt Zagrabelny
On Wed, Jun 9, 2021 at 11:54 PM John Paul Adrian Glaubitz < glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de> wrote: > On 6/10/21 2:08 AM, Paul Wise wrote: > >> The report and its recommendations may provide a means > >> to pierce the veil of closed platforms, like closed-sourced firmware. > > > > It seems unlikely t

Re: OT: Huge Right to Repair Win for Consumers

2021-06-10 Thread Milan Kupcevic
On 6/10/21 12:53 AM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: On 6/10/21 2:08 AM, Paul Wise wrote: The report and its recommendations may provide a means to pierce the veil of closed platforms, like closed-sourced firmware. It seems unlikely to me that we will ever see a "Right to Repair" for software

Re: OT: Huge Right to Repair Win for Consumers

2021-06-10 Thread Mauricio Tavares
On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 2:07 AM deloptes wrote: > > John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > > > So, why should laws protect the intellectual property of software > > companies but not the IP of hardware companies? > > > > Are patents not enough? > > > What supporters euphemistically call a "right to re

Re: OT: Huge Right to Repair Win for Consumers

2021-06-10 Thread Stuart Blake Tener
Adrian, et alia: Rare it is that I post to this list, but I feel that the comments posted here within impel me to speak up. It is instructive that the very same argument was applied to those that felt the entire open source movement would destroy and wipe out software companies. Yet, companies

Re: OT: Huge Right to Repair Win for Consumers

2021-06-09 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
On 6/10/21 2:08 AM, Paul Wise wrote: >> The report and its recommendations may provide a means >> to pierce the veil of closed platforms, like closed-sourced firmware. > > It seems unlikely to me that we will ever see a "Right to Repair" for > software, firmware or gateware. So, why should laws p

Re: OT: Huge Right to Repair Win for Consumers

2021-06-09 Thread Paul Wise
On Tue, Jun 8, 2021 at 11:54 PM Jeffrey Walton wrote: > This is not as off-topic as it may seem. In the US, the FTC just > issued a report that favors consumers. A link to the report and related discussion: https://www.ftc.gov/system/files/documents/reports/nixing-fix-ftc-report-congress-repair-

OT: Huge Right to Repair Win for Consumers

2021-06-08 Thread Jeffrey Walton
Hi Everyone, This is not as off-topic as it may seem. In the US, the FTC just issued a report that favors consumers. The report and its recommendations may provide a means to pierce the veil of closed platforms, like closed-sourced firmware. It also looks like the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act will f