Hello,
Since the 2.6.12 powerpc kernel in the archive now support 64bit kernels,
thanks to the work of the toolchain guys with regard to biarch on ppc, i have
uploaded kernel .udebs and triggered new reorganised daily builds of the sid
debian-installer images.
I was forced to disable the floppy b
On Aug 18 2005, Sven Luther wrote:
> I was forced to disable the floppy builds for now, since they failed to
> build, and the 2.6.12 kernels are 200K too big anyway for miboot
> floppies, we need to find out how to make them smaller, and solve the
> non-freeness of miboot for the etch release.
Hum
On Fri, Aug 19, 2005 at 05:00:44AM -0300, Rog?rio Brito wrote:
> On Aug 18 2005, Sven Luther wrote:
> > I was forced to disable the floppy builds for now, since they failed to
> > build, and the 2.6.12 kernels are 200K too big anyway for miboot
> > floppies, we need to find out how to make them sma
On Aug 19, 2005, at 9:35 AM, Sven Luther wrote:
On Fri, Aug 19, 2005 at 05:00:44AM -0300, Rog?rio Brito wrote:
On Aug 18 2005, Sven Luther wrote:
I was forced to disable the floppy builds for now, since they failed
to
build, and the 2.6.12 kernels are 200K too big anyway for miboot
floppies,
On Sat, Aug 20, 2005 at 03:27:36AM -0400, Rick Thomas wrote:
>
> On Aug 19, 2005, at 9:35 AM, Sven Luther wrote:
>
> >On Fri, Aug 19, 2005 at 05:00:44AM -0300, Rog?rio Brito wrote:
> >>On Aug 18 2005, Sven Luther wrote:
> >>>I was forced to disable the floppy builds for now, since they failed
>
On Aug 19, 2005, Sven Luther wrote
> On Sat, Aug 20, 2005 at 03:27:36AM -0400, Rick Thomas wrote:
>>
>> .
>>
>> Hmmm...
>>
>> Would it be possible to build a boot floppy using a fixed-config
>> stripped-down version of (say) the 2.4 kernel, with just enough
>
> No, there will be no more 2.4 po
On Aug 20, 2005, at 4:14 AM, Sven Luther wrote:
Well, the sarge 2.4 miboot floppies already installs a 2.6 kernel (or
should),
and if what you are hinting at is on-the-fly takeover of kernels, this
is not
possible (yet :).
That's exactly what I was proposing (on-the-fly takeover of kernels)
On Aug 20, 2005, at 4:14 AM, Sven Luther wrote:
The plan is that in the year or so upto the etch release, we will trim
down
the 2.6 kernel to miboot-size, free miboot or find a better solution,
and fix
the miboot+2.6 worked once in oldenbourg 2004 and never since problem.
Removing the lega
On Sat, Aug 20, 2005 at 03:52:13PM -0400, Rick Thomas wrote:
>
> On Aug 20, 2005, at 4:14 AM, Sven Luther wrote:
>
> >Well, the sarge 2.4 miboot floppies already installs a 2.6 kernel (or
> >should),
> >and if what you are hinting at is on-the-fly takeover of kernels, this
> >is not
> >possible
On Aug 20, 2005, at 11:34 AM, vinai wrote:
One thing to keep in mind is that the swim3 driver in the Old World
Pmacs hasn't been properly updated for the 2.6 series of kernels. Last
I checked, I think the driver now compiles, but I can't remember if it
even works. I'll take a look soon.
A whi
On Aug 21 2005, Rick Thomas wrote:
> Does it help to remember that SMP-safe is irrelevant to OldWorld Pmacs,
> since there are none-such?
False. PowerMacs 9500/180MP (which are OldWorld) are SMP, as the name
implies.
Regards,
--
Rogério Brito : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito
On Sun, Aug 21, 2005 at 12:27:51AM -0400, Rick Thomas wrote:
> Does it help to remember that SMP-safe is irrelevant to OldWorld Pmacs,
> since there are none-such?
Actually, there are. Apple even shipped a few of them that way, plus
there were upgrade cards available. I purchased a dual 200MHz up
On Sun, Aug 21, 2005 at 12:27:51AM -0400, Rick Thomas wrote:
> Does it help to remember that SMP-safe is irrelevant to OldWorld Pmacs,
> since there are none-such?
Actually, that's not true - I have a 7500 with an aftermarket 604e/180
dual CPU card, and I'm sure there was at least one 9600 model
On Sun, August 21, 2005 6:47, Derrik Pates wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 21, 2005 at 12:27:51AM -0400, Rick Thomas wrote:
>> Does it help to remember that SMP-safe is irrelevant to OldWorld
>> Pmacs, since there are none-such?
>
> Actually, that's not true - I have a 7500 with an aftermarket
> 604e/180 dua
On Sun, Aug 21, 2005 at 09:22:28AM -0500, vinai wrote:
> On Sun, August 21, 2005 6:47, Derrik Pates wrote:
>
> > On Sun, Aug 21, 2005 at 12:27:51AM -0400, Rick Thomas wrote:
> >> Does it help to remember that SMP-safe is irrelevant to OldWorld
> >> Pmacs, since there are none-such?
> >
> > Actuall
On Aug 21, 2005, at 10:22 AM, vinai wrote:
On Sun, August 21, 2005 6:47, Derrik Pates wrote:
On Sun, Aug 21, 2005 at 12:27:51AM -0400, Rick Thomas wrote:
Does it help to remember that SMP-safe is irrelevant to OldWorld
Pmacs, since there are none-such?
Actually, that's not true - I have a
On Aug 19 2005, Sven Luther wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 19, 2005 at 05:00:44AM -0300, Rog?rio Brito wrote:
> > Humm, this is indeed a problem. :-( The non-freeness of miboot is
> > a secondary problem in face of not having a way to install the
> > operating system on the box. :-(
>
> The kernel don't fit
On Aug 20 2005, Rick Thomas wrote:
> NewWorld Macs can boot off of CDs, so these boot floppies are only
> necessary for OldWorld PowerMacs, which, being out of production,
> have a fixed unchanging set of devices.
That is false, as you can obviously upgrade your box with other
devices and even the
Hi there, vinai.
On Aug 20 2005, vinai wrote:
> One thing to keep in mind is that the swim3 driver in the Old World
> Pmacs hasn't been properly updated for the 2.6 series of kernels. Last
> I checked, I think the driver now compiles, but I can't remember if it
> even works. I'll take a look soon
On Aug 20 2005, Rick Thomas wrote:
> Keep in mind that the *next* kernel will be even bigger. Sooner or
> later, even the fully modularized minimum configuration isn't going
> fit on a single floppy.
There is current discussion on the lkml discussing which kernels one
should use with small system
On Aug 21, 2005, at 6:21 PM, Rogério Brito wrote:
On Aug 20 2005, Rick Thomas wrote:
NewWorld Macs can boot off of CDs, so these boot floppies are only
necessary for OldWorld PowerMacs, which, being out of production,
have a fixed unchanging set of devices.
That is false, as you can obviousl
On Sun, Aug 21, 2005 at 08:47:16PM -0300, Rogério Brito wrote:
> On Aug 20 2005, Rick Thomas wrote:
> > Keep in mind that the *next* kernel will be even bigger. Sooner or
> > later, even the fully modularized minimum configuration isn't going
> > fit on a single floppy.
>
> There is current discu
On Aug 22 2005, Sven Luther wrote:
> A bit of reality check here, we have around 1.3MB space on the miboot
> floppies, and current compressed miboot floppies arer 1.6MB or so, so
> we just need to unbloat it further 200/300kb (compressed though),
> which should be possible by modularizing lot of st
On Sun, Aug 21, 2005 at 08:47:16PM -0300, Rogério Brito wrote:
> There is current discussion on the lkml discussing which kernels one
> should use with small systems (like old 486s and such) and the consensus
> seems to be that one should use either a 2.6 kernel (perhaps using some
> of the linux-t
On Mon, Aug 22, 2005 at 11:23:39AM -0300, Rogério Brito wrote:
> On Aug 22 2005, Sven Luther wrote:
> > A bit of reality check here, we have around 1.3MB space on the miboot
> > floppies, and current compressed miboot floppies arer 1.6MB or so, so
> > we just need to unbloat it further 200/300kb (c
On Aug 22 2005, Martin Habets wrote:
> Do you have a link to this discussion? Can't see anything abvious in
> the archives.
Here you go:
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-kernel&m=112440317315551&w=2
Hope this helps, Rogério.
--
Rogério Brito : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbr
On Aug 22 2005, Sven Luther wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 22, 2005 at 11:23:39AM -0300, Rogério Brito wrote:
> > So, I do think that it would be possible to get it smaller. Want to
> > see my .config? I just posted it to linux-kernel in a reply to
> > Andrew Morton.
>
> Remember the debian kernel is generi
On Tue, Aug 23, 2005 at 02:18:07AM -0300, Rogério Brito wrote:
> On Aug 22 2005, Sven Luther wrote:
> > On Mon, Aug 22, 2005 at 11:23:39AM -0300, Rogério Brito wrote:
> > > So, I do think that it would be possible to get it smaller. Want to
> > > see my .config? I just posted it to linux-kernel in
On Tue, Aug 23, 2005 at 02:18:07AM -0300, Rog?rio Brito wrote:
> > Remember the debian kernel is generic for all powerpc plateforms, from
> > old world to prep boxes, to powerbooks to the last 32bit IBM chrps and
> > the genesi pegasos machine, so there is a bit more constraints here,
> > but it is
On Tue, Aug 23, 2005 at 03:05:05PM +0200, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 23, 2005 at 02:18:07AM -0300, Rog?rio Brito wrote:
> > > Remember the debian kernel is generic for all powerpc plateforms, from
> > > old world to prep boxes, to powerbooks to the last 32bit IBM chrps and
> > > the gen
On Aug 23 2005, Sven Luther wrote:
> Notice that the main problem still is that i couldn't get 2.6 miboot
> to work except two mysterious times in oldenbourg.
Really? I do it all the time here with an inherited PowerMac 9500/180MP
with a G3 upgrade card (kindly donated by Tormod).
I even document
On Aug 23, 2005, at 11:28 PM, Rogério Brito wrote:
On Aug 23 2005, Sven Luther wrote:
Notice that the main problem still is that i couldn't get 2.6 miboot
to work except two mysterious times in oldenbourg.
Really? I do it all the time here with an inherited PowerMac 9500/180MP
with a G3 upgr
On Aug 24 2005, Rick Thomas wrote:
> On Aug 23, 2005, at 11:28 PM, Rogério Brito wrote:
> >Really? I do it all the time here with an inherited PowerMac
> >9500/180MP with a G3 upgrade card (kindly donated by Tormod).
> >
> >I even documented the way I do it in my 'blog/diary (and the same
> >method
On Wed, Aug 24, 2005 at 12:28:07AM -0300, Rogério Brito wrote:
> On Aug 23 2005, Sven Luther wrote:
> > Notice that the main problem still is that i couldn't get 2.6 miboot
> > to work except two mysterious times in oldenbourg.
>
> Really? I do it all the time here with an inherited PowerMac 9500/
On Wed, Aug 24, 2005 at 01:58:58AM -0300, Rogério Brito wrote:
> On Aug 24 2005, Rick Thomas wrote:
> > On Aug 23, 2005, at 11:28 PM, Rogério Brito wrote:
> > >Really? I do it all the time here with an inherited PowerMac
> > >9500/180MP with a G3 upgrade card (kindly donated by Tormod).
> > >
> > >
On Aug 24 2005, Sven Luther wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 24, 2005 at 01:58:58AM -0300, Rogério Brito wrote:
> > After installing the NewerTech G3 upgrade card into the PowerMac
> > 9500/180MP, I had some problems, when I tried to install
> > Debian. None of the sarge floppies would work and I eventually
>
On Fri, Aug 26, 2005 at 01:01:20AM -0300, Rogério Brito wrote:
> On Aug 24 2005, Sven Luther wrote:
> > On Wed, Aug 24, 2005 at 01:58:58AM -0300, Rogério Brito wrote:
> > > After installing the NewerTech G3 upgrade card into the PowerMac
> > > 9500/180MP, I had some problems, when I tried to instal
On Sat, Aug 27, 2005 at 06:43:41AM -0300, Rogério Brito wrote:
> I'm including debian-boot on the Cc list, so that other people can share
> their knowledge here.
>
> On Aug 27 2005, Sven Luther wrote:
> > On Fri, Aug 26, 2005 at 01:01:20AM -0300, Rogério Brito wrote:
> > > Please, correct, me but
I'm including debian-boot on the Cc list, so that other people can share
their knowledge here.
On Aug 27 2005, Sven Luther wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2005 at 01:01:20AM -0300, Rogério Brito wrote:
> > Please, correct, me but the fake Finder and System folders that
> > comes with Debian's woody HFS f
On Fri, Aug 19, 2005 at 05:00:44AM -0300, Rogério Brito wrote:
> On Aug 18 2005, Sven Luther wrote:
> > I was forced to disable the floppy builds for now, since they failed to
> > build, and the 2.6.12 kernels are 200K too big anyway for miboot
> > floppies, we need to find out how to make them sma
On Wed, Sep 21, 2005 at 07:54:00PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 19, 2005 at 05:00:44AM -0300, Rogério Brito wrote:
> > On Aug 18 2005, Sven Luther wrote:
> > > I was forced to disable the floppy builds for now, since they failed to
> > > build, and the 2.6.12 kernels are 200K too big any
On Wed, Sep 21, 2005 at 07:54:00PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
[...]
> i managed to do a powerpc-miboot flavour build, which does fit on a miboot
> floppy. I would like (urgently) for folk to test it out, it is just a kernel,
> i need to see if it boots, not much more for now, before i go ahead and
Le mercredi 21 septembre 2005 à 19:54 +0200, Sven Luther a écrit :
> On Fri, Aug 19, 2005 at 05:00:44AM -0300, Rogério Brito wrote:
> > On Aug 18 2005, Sven Luther wrote:
> > > I was forced to disable the floppy builds for now, since they failed to
> > > build, and the 2.6.12 kernels are 200K too b
On Mon, Oct 10, 2005 at 12:32:33PM +0200, Jérôme Warnier wrote:
> Le mercredi 21 septembre 2005 à 19:54 +0200, Sven Luther a écrit :
> > On Fri, Aug 19, 2005 at 05:00:44AM -0300, Rogério Brito wrote:
> > > On Aug 18 2005, Sven Luther wrote:
> > > > I was forced to disable the floppy builds for now,
Le lundi 10 octobre 2005 à 12:37 +0200, Sven Luther a écrit :
> On Mon, Oct 10, 2005 at 12:32:33PM +0200, Jérôme Warnier wrote:
> > Le mercredi 21 septembre 2005 à 19:54 +0200, Sven Luther a écrit :
> > > On Fri, Aug 19, 2005 at 05:00:44AM -0300, Rogério Brito wrote:
> > > > On Aug 18 2005, Sven Lu
On Mon, Oct 10, 2005 at 01:07:09PM +0200, Jérôme Warnier wrote:
> Le lundi 10 octobre 2005 à 12:37 +0200, Sven Luther a écrit :
> > On Mon, Oct 10, 2005 at 12:32:33PM +0200, Jérôme Warnier wrote:
> > > Le mercredi 21 septembre 2005 à 19:54 +0200, Sven Luther a écrit :
> > > > On Fri, Aug 19, 2005 a
Le lundi 10 octobre 2005 à 13:03 +0200, Sven Luther a écrit :
> On Mon, Oct 10, 2005 at 01:07:09PM +0200, Jérôme Warnier wrote:
> > Le lundi 10 octobre 2005 à 12:37 +0200, Sven Luther a écrit :
> > > On Mon, Oct 10, 2005 at 12:32:33PM +0200, Jérôme Warnier wrote:
> > > > Le mercredi 21 septembre 20
On Mon, Oct 10, 2005 at 03:03:13PM +0200, Jerome Warnier wrote:
> > Nope, they are available since a couple of weeks :)
> Sorry, but there is only "cdrom", "hd-media", and "netboot" in
> http://people.debian.org/~luther/d-i/images/daily/powerpc/.
> Is it "netboot"?
Oh, damn, the floppies are still
On Mon, Oct 10, 2005 at 03:14:00PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 10, 2005 at 03:03:13PM +0200, Jerome Warnier wrote:
> > > Nope, they are available since a couple of weeks :)
> > Sorry, but there is only "cdrom", "hd-media", and "netboot" in
> > http://people.debian.org/~luther/d-i/images
Le lundi 10 octobre 2005 à 15:24 +0200, Sven Luther a écrit :
> On Mon, Oct 10, 2005 at 03:14:00PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> > On Mon, Oct 10, 2005 at 03:03:13PM +0200, Jerome Warnier wrote:
> > > > Nope, they are available since a couple of weeks :)
> > > Sorry, but there is only "cdrom", "hd-me
On Wed, Oct 12, 2005 at 09:29:21PM +0200, Jérôme Warnier wrote:
> Le lundi 10 octobre 2005 à 15:24 +0200, Sven Luther a écrit :
> > On Mon, Oct 10, 2005 at 03:14:00PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> > > On Mon, Oct 10, 2005 at 03:03:13PM +0200, Jerome Warnier wrote:
> > > > > Nope, they are available s
Le jeudi 13 octobre 2005 à 13:14 +0200, Sven Luther a écrit :
> On Wed, Oct 12, 2005 at 09:29:21PM +0200, Jérôme Warnier wrote:
> > Le lundi 10 octobre 2005 à 15:24 +0200, Sven Luther a écrit :
> > > On Mon, Oct 10, 2005 at 03:14:00PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> > > > On Mon, Oct 10, 2005 at 03:03:
On Thu, Oct 13, 2005 at 01:28:00PM +0200, Jérôme Warnier wrote:
> Le jeudi 13 octobre 2005 à 13:14 +0200, Sven Luther a écrit :
> > On Wed, Oct 12, 2005 at 09:29:21PM +0200, Jérôme Warnier wrote:
> > > Le lundi 10 octobre 2005 à 15:24 +0200, Sven Luther a écrit :
> > > > On Mon, Oct 10, 2005 at 03:
[..]
> > I would say that if more of the linux-tiny patches were incorporated in
> > the mainline kernel, then it would be a really nice addition.
>
> I'm not aware of "linux-tiny". Where can I learn more about it?
http://www.selenic.com/linux-tiny/
> Enjoy!
>
> Rick
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Wed, 24 Aug 2005 01:58:58 -0300 Rogério Brito wrote:
> Note to self: when replacing the zImage on the HFS boot floppy, one has
> to use the vmlinux image compressed with gzip, like this:
> gzip -9 vmlinux
> hmount /dev/fd0
> hcopy vmlinux.gz :zImage
> humount /dev/fd0
> No other i
On Wed, Sep 14, 2005 at 04:04:25PM +0200, Hans Ekbrand wrote:
> Wed, 24 Aug 2005 01:58:58 -0300 Rogério Brito wrote:
> > Note to self: when replacing the zImage on the HFS boot floppy, one has
> > to use the vmlinux image compressed with gzip, like this:
>
> > gzip -9 vmlinux
> > hmount /d
On Wed, Sep 14, 2005 at 05:06:44PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 14, 2005 at 04:04:25PM +0200, Hans Ekbrand wrote:
> > Wed, 24 Aug 2005 01:58:58 -0300 Rogério Brito wrote:
> > > Note to self: when replacing the zImage on the HFS boot floppy, one has
> > > to use the vmlinux image compress
On Wed, Sep 14, 2005 at 07:01:28PM +0200, Hans Ekbrand wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 14, 2005 at 05:06:44PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> > On Wed, Sep 14, 2005 at 04:04:25PM +0200, Hans Ekbrand wrote:
> > > Wed, 24 Aug 2005 01:58:58 -0300 Rogério Brito wrote:
> > > > Note to self: when replacing the zImage o
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