On Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 03:28:28PM +, Dale Scheetz wrote:
> The people who signed keys said themselves that they could not with any
> sureness identify someone who's key they signed once, long ago. We
> realized, after some debate, that the fact that the developer in question
> _did_ see a pas
Oliver Elphick wrote:
>
> Anand Kumria wrote:
> >I don't know when you asked Dale but the procedures are quite clear that
> >"An image file of an appropriate piece of photo-identification" (from
> >http://www.debian.org/devel/join/nm-step2> is required.
>
> Yes! We want (as a group) to see
On Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 03:42:51PM +0100, Mark Brown wrote:
> [Reply-To: set to drop the old nm-admin list]
Am I the only one who has constant trouble getting the Debian listserver
to acknowledge my requests? In the past I've been ignored when trying
to subscribe and unsubscribe from various list
On Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 03:42:51PM +0100, Mark Brown wrote:
> It depends on what sort of stuff you do. Unless you actually want to
> scan in images there's no reason to have a scanner. Computers, net
> connections - these things we can expect people to have access to.
> Scanners just aren't so g
Anand Kumria wrote:
>I don't know when you asked Dale but the procedures are quite clear that
>"An image file of an appropriate piece of photo-identification" (from
>http://www.debian.org/devel/join/nm-step2> is required.
Yes! We want (as a group) to see the id. The fact that a developer
On Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 09:09:39PM +0200, Marcus Brinkmann wrote:
>
> A privilege is a "special advantage or immunity or benefit not enjoyed by
> all" (wordnet). You said "the privilege to be trusted to contribute to
> Debian". Many people outside Debian are to be trusted to contribute,
> directl
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Marcus Brinkmann writes:
>Hello,
>
>A privilege is a "special advantage or immunity or benefit not enjoyed by
>all" (wordnet). You said "the privilege to be trusted to contribute to
>Debian". Many people outside Debian are to be trusted to contribute,
>directly
On Wed, Aug 02, 2000 at 03:43:12AM +1000, Anand Kumria wrote:
> > Membership is a privilege, and if you have to take a couple of
> > bureaucratic steps, so be it. You don't haggle with your passport
> > office about providing your passport photos, do you? If you need to
>
> Actually I do -- but t
Hello,
On Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 08:53:36PM +0200, Nils Lohner wrote:
> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Marcus Brinkmann writes:
> >On Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 08:06:55PM +0200, Nils Lohner wrote:
> >> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Marcus Brinkmann writes:
> >> >On Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 01:07:24PM -04
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Marcus Brinkmann writes:
>On Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 08:06:55PM +0200, Nils Lohner wrote:
>> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Marcus Brinkmann writes:
>> >On Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 01:07:24PM -0400, Gopal Narayanan wrote:
>> >> Membership is a privilege,
>> >
>> >The priv
On Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 08:21:37PM +0200, Marcus Brinkmann wrote:
> I am rather scared by a statement that effectively assumes that being part
> of Debian is a "privilege" that needs to be protected by people who
> probably want to abuse it.[1] The only privileges you have as a Debian
> maintainer
On Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 08:06:55PM +0200, Nils Lohner wrote:
> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Marcus Brinkmann writes:
> >On Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 01:07:24PM -0400, Gopal Narayanan wrote:
> >> Membership is a privilege,
> >
> >The privilege to work, or what?
> >
> IMO the privilege to be trusted
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Marcus Brinkmann writes:
>On Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 01:07:24PM -0400, Gopal Narayanan wrote:
>> Membership is a privilege,
>
>The privilege to work, or what?
>
IMO the privilege to be trusted to contribute to Debian, represent it well
and to adhere to the social co
On Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 06:38:03PM +0100, Mark Brown wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 02, 2000 at 03:33:47AM +1000, Anand Kumria wrote:
>
> > Perhaps, once again, that is not the issue here. The issue is whether to
> > trust existing Debian developers to authenticate (sign) the key of
> > aspiring Debian d
On Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 01:07:24PM -0400, Gopal Narayanan wrote:
> Membership is a privilege,
The privilege to work, or what?
Thanks,
Marcus
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On Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 01:07:24PM -0400, Gopal Narayanan wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 11:09:46AM -0500, Steve Greenland wrote:
> > On 01-Aug-00, 09:32 (CDT), Dale Scheetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > I find the technical argument (the applicant does not
> > > have access to scanners, etc.
On Wed, Aug 02, 2000 at 03:33:47AM +1000, Anand Kumria wrote:
> Perhaps, once again, that is not the issue here. The issue is whether to
> trust existing Debian developers to authenticate (sign) the key of
> aspiring Debian developers.
Trusting developers doesn't seem to be an issue at all. N
On Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 04:05:06PM +, Dale Scheetz wrote:
> On Tue, 1 Aug 2000, Mark Brown wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 02:32:01PM +, Dale Scheetz wrote:
> > > On Mon, 31 Jul 2000, Mark Brown wrote:
> > > > On Mon, Jul 31, 2000 at 03:06:36PM +, Dale Scheetz wrote:
> >
> > [Re
On Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 10:55:50AM -0500, An Thi-Nguyen Le wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 03:42:51PM +0100, Mark Brown typed:
> } On Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 02:32:01PM +, Dale Scheetz wrote:
> } > about the difficulties of providing "adequate" identification. I find the
> } > technical argument
On Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 01:07:24PM -0400, Gopal Narayanan wrote:
> If you absolutely can't get hold of a scanner, take a (analog) photo
> of your ID, have it developed in any number of online places or your
> next-door photo shop, that would give you a CDROM with all your
> photos.. Sheesh.
Sure
On Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 02:32:01PM +, Dale Scheetz wrote:
> On Mon, 31 Jul 2000, Mark Brown wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Jul 31, 2000 at 03:06:36PM +, Dale Scheetz wrote:
> >
> > > Having the assurance that the keyholder is the applicant (this comes from
> > > the signature on their key) coupled
On Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 11:09:46AM -0500, Steve Greenland wrote:
> On 01-Aug-00, 09:32 (CDT), Dale Scheetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I find the technical argument (the applicant does not
> > have access to scanners, etc...) to be as weak, because it declares a
> > lack of "connectedness" with
On Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 04:05:06PM +, Dale Scheetz wrote:
> On Tue, 1 Aug 2000, Mark Brown wrote:
> > [Reply-To: set to drop the old nm-admin list]
I've just dropped it this time.
> I don't own a scanner. I know several friends who do, and under extreeme
That depends on who you know and wh
On 01-Aug-00, 09:32 (CDT), Dale Scheetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I find the technical argument (the applicant does not
> have access to scanners, etc...) to be as weak, because it declares a
> lack of "connectedness" with the "technological" society they wish to
> enter.
While I'm not arguing
On Tue, 1 Aug 2000, Mark Brown wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 02:32:01PM +, Dale Scheetz wrote:
> > On Mon, 31 Jul 2000, Mark Brown wrote:
> > > On Mon, Jul 31, 2000 at 03:06:36PM +, Dale Scheetz wrote:
>
> [Reply-To: set to drop the old nm-admin list]
>
> > about the difficulties of
On Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 10:55:50AM -0500, An Thi-Nguyen Le wrote:
> Wouldn't libraries and other such places usually have scanners for public
> access (or maybe, if they're clueless or harassed libraries, free access
Not round here. Printers probably would, though they might not be
enthused a
On Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 03:42:51PM +0100, Mark Brown typed:
} On Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 02:32:01PM +, Dale Scheetz wrote:
} > about the difficulties of providing "adequate" identification. I find the
} > technical argument (the applicant does not have access to scanners,
} > etc...) to be as wea
On Mon, 31 Jul 2000, [iso-8859-1] Jens Müller wrote:
> Please choose ONE debian-* list!
>
Sorry but there isn't ONE debian-* list!
Luck,
Dwarf
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On Tue, 1 Aug 2000, Anand Kumria wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 31, 2000 at 03:06:36PM +, Dale Scheetz wrote:
> > I strongly disagree with the interpretation being made here.
>
> think you missing, or overlooking three very important things.
>
> > Every applicant must provide an image file of a phot
On Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 02:32:01PM +, Dale Scheetz wrote:
> On Mon, 31 Jul 2000, Mark Brown wrote:
> > On Mon, Jul 31, 2000 at 03:06:36PM +, Dale Scheetz wrote:
[Reply-To: set to drop the old nm-admin list]
> about the difficulties of providing "adequate" identification. I find the
> tec
On Mon, 31 Jul 2000, Mark Brown wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 31, 2000 at 03:06:36PM +, Dale Scheetz wrote:
>
> > Having the assurance that the keyholder is the applicant (this comes from
> > the signature on their key) coupled with the signed image provided by the
> > applicant closes the eye/hand l
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