As I was writing this meta-reply, Mr. Samuelson, Mr.
Beattie and Mr. Nusinow made some mention of the
proper use of the term censorship. In this context in
my posts, please read "censorship" to mean "some sort
of large-scale (i.e. channel- or server-wide)
filtration of the IRC traffic generated by
[Mike Beattie]
> [Posting to debian lists is like hitting your head against a brick
> wall. It feels good when you stop - so I will after this one]
Larry Wall: "What is the sound of Perl? Is it not the sound of the
wall that people have stopped banging their heads against?" (Sorry, it
has nothi
On Mon, Mar 08, 2004 at 01:35:44PM +1300, Mike Beattie wrote:
> [Posting to debian lists is like hitting your head against a brick wall. It
> feels good when you stop - so I will after this one]
>
> Yes, ok, but I wouldn't call it censorship... more, a type of 'policing'.
>
> We're not going to '
On Mon, Mar 08, 2004 at 12:09:59AM +, Peter Samuelson wrote:
> > Have a brain please? I was not talking about the technicalities of
> > whatever one does on IRC... Last I looked, Debian's world domination
> > plan did not include censorship.
>
> Censorship is entirely appropriate when it comes
On Sun, Mar 07, 2004 at 11:40:21PM +, MJ Ray wrote:
> On 2004-03-06 10:45:06 + George Sawyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> >Might it be true to generalize so far as to say:
> >Don't talk with us, don't do anything to us, *just* because we're
> >women. (?)
>
> Further generalisation:
[Mike Beattie]
> Have a brain please? I was not talking about the technicalities of
> whatever one does on IRC... Last I looked, Debian's world domination
> plan did not include censorship.
Censorship is entirely appropriate when it comes to maintaining some
decorum in a forum such as IRC. Just
On Mon, Mar 08, 2004 at 12:50:10PM +1300, Mike Beattie wrote:
> Have a brain please? I was not talking about the technicalities of whatever
> one does on IRC... Last I looked, Debian's world domination plan did not
> include censorship.
Way to resort to personal insults rather than respond to my a
[Matthew Hall]
> there are 12 operators in #debian, which means we expect each one to
> be present at least 2 unique hours per day, assuming the task is
> equally divided. In my opinion that is probably not enough for a
> channel with 600+ people and such extreme traffic levels
There are actually
On Sun, Mar 07, 2004 at 06:34:23PM -0500, David Nusinow wrote:
> That's absurd. People get kicked and banned for obvious trolling,
> crapflooding, and racist remarks. We can and we do control what people
> say or do, and we can do better.
Have a brain please? I was not talking about the technicali
On 2004-03-06 10:45:06 + George Sawyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Might it be true to generalize so far as to say:
Don't talk with us, don't do anything to us, *just* because we're
women. (?)
Further generalisation:
Don't do anything to us, just because of what we are.
That has the ben
On Mon, Mar 08, 2004 at 12:22:44PM +1300, Mike Beattie wrote:
> Matt, I hate to burst your bubble, but IRC is not real life, and in the
> grand scheme of things it really doesn't matter - we do not control what
> people say or do. We cannot, and we will not.
That's absurd. People get kicked and ba
On 2004-03-06 00:33:40 + Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
I don't think she is guessing. Indeed, the men here have done
exactly what she thought they would [...]
Of course, this is not directly caused by the chromosomes present, so
it is stupid to write "the men here"
On Sun, Mar 07, 2004 at 01:05:17PM -0800, Matthew Hall wrote:
[snip drivel]
> Next, I would like to say some words to those who have
> been saying that Debian doesn't discriminate against
> women. As far as IRC goes, IT DOES. ADMIT IT ALREADY.
> Every day the channel is filled with trolls and
[sn
On Sat, 6 Mar 2004, Helen Faulkner wrote:
> Just because some people have difficulty understanding that there are
> barriers that make participation in things like the debian community
> more difficult (on average) for women than men, doesn't mean the
> barriers don't exist. Social and cultural b
On Thu, 4 Mar 2004, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> I see. So, since you did nothing wrong, does that mean that
> obviously Debian is not a hostile environment for women? That we have
> nothing to address?
>
Could be. Or it could mean there is a problem but it is improperly
described or means
On Thu, 4 Mar 2004, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> OK. Last I heard, irc.debian.org #debian is a project
> resource. Here is an example of how women are treated in Debian;
Ok at last we're at least moving into the realm of empirical data and I
thank you for that but I must say you are engaging
On Sat, 6 Mar 2004, Peter Samuelson wrote:
> All your pontificating about data and proof is a fine way to avoid the
> actual issue under discussion, which is that a social system (the
> Debian Project) is exhibiting the same symptom (fairly extreme
> under-representation of women) as other systems
Hello, my name is Matt R Hall. I am a student of
computer engineering and German at the University of
Pacific in Stockton, CA. IANAD (I Am Not A Developer),
so I reserve my comments specifically to the IRC
channel, where I have been present regularly since
1998 under the nickname "mhall."
I would
On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 07:31:42PM +0100, Frank K?ster wrote:
> Therefore I would be glad to hear whether any towns in Europe have yet
> done the switch and chosen Debian for that.
Try to get a look at Open Source Observatory, starting from:
http://europa.eu.int/ISPO/ida/jsps/index.jsp?fuseAction
Thank you all for the many answers, also in private Mails!
Regards, Frank
--
Frank Küster, Biozentrum der Univ. Basel
Abt. Biophysikalische Chemie
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