On Sat, 7 Aug 2004 10:29:40 +1000, Matthew Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
On Fri, Aug 06, 2004 at 10:29:40PM +0200, J?r?me Marant wrote:
Evidence. I would like to see evidence that Debian has not been
giving equal rights to males and women over the past years.
The fact that our male /
Selon Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Does it bother you that the Project seems to be predominantly
Christian (as in most developers come from a Christian background)?
Why not? Given that the project is a global one, don't you think
Buddhists are under represented? Hindus?
Selon Matthew Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Fri, Aug 06, 2004 at 10:29:40PM +0200, J?r?me Marant wrote:
Evidence. I would like to see evidence that Debian has not been giving
equal rights to males and women over the past years.
The fact that our male / female participation ratio is much
On Fri, Aug 06, 2004 at 05:46:57PM -0700, Jonathan Walther wrote:
On Sat, Aug 07, 2004 at 10:29:40AM +1000, Matthew Palmer wrote:
On Fri, Aug 06, 2004 at 10:29:40PM +0200, J?r?me Marant wrote:
Evidence. I would like to see evidence that Debian has not been giving
equal rights to males and
On Fri, Aug 06, 2004 at 11:00:08PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
On Sat, 7 Aug 2004 10:29:40 +1000, Matthew Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
On Fri, Aug 06, 2004 at 10:29:40PM +0200, J?r?me Marant wrote:
Evidence. I would like to see evidence that Debian has not been
giving equal rights
On Sat, Aug 07, 2004 at 10:47:45AM +0200, J?r?me Marant wrote:
Selon Matthew Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Fri, Aug 06, 2004 at 10:29:40PM +0200, J?r?me Marant wrote:
Evidence. I would like to see evidence that Debian has not been giving
equal rights to males and women over the past years.
On Fri, Aug 06, 2004 at 05:50:46PM -0700, Jonathan Walther wrote:
On Sat, Aug 07, 2004 at 10:41:33AM +1000, Matthew Palmer wrote:
What is left unexamined in all these discussions is why Debian (as a
project) should be doing anything to tackle inequalities?
Because there's a whole pile of
On 2004-08-07 12:55:27 +0100 Matthew Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How about statements from the people who have decided not to
participate
because of the culture? How many would convince you?
Is anyone planning to build data in a referenced way from these?
Otherwise, it feels like DDs
On Fri, Aug 06, 2004 at 10:56:49PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
On Sat, 7 Aug 2004 10:41:33 +1000, Matthew Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
On Fri, Aug 06, 2004 at 01:47:51PM -0400, Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote:
Or is the contention that there is some barrier to involvement by
women (and only
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On 2004-08-07 13:11:55 +0100 Matthew Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So you think that changing our culture to be less confrontational
would be
beneficial to encouraging participation by multiple groups?
Excellent.
Yes, but I'd like to see metrics for this and the data gathered. We
can all
On Sat, 7 Aug 2004 22:11:55 +1000, Matthew Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
On Fri, Aug 06, 2004 at 10:56:49PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
On Sat, 7 Aug 2004 10:41:33 +1000, Matthew Palmer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
On Fri, Aug 06, 2004 at 01:47:51PM -0400, Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote:
Or is the
On Sat, Aug 07, 2004 at 09:38:53AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
The free software world has always benefited from selection
pressure and competition between opposing solutions; when some thing
does not work as you like, you are encouraged to change it to your
liking, and if there
On 2004-08-07 18:54:18 +0100 David Nusinow [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
[...] Think of it as a gateway list that
supplements, but does not replace, lists like -mentors. If you'd read
the
FAQ[0] you'd see that this is a goal of the -women project.
Are posts which should otherwise go to other
On Sat, Aug 07, 2004 at 09:37:40PM +1000, Matthew Palmer wrote:
Don't assume there are stairs preventing the wheel-chaired person from
getting onto the basketball court; SHOW THEM to us. The fact that few
wheel-chaired people are into playing basketball with normal people
Talk about language
On Sat, Aug 07, 2004 at 09:49:35PM +1000, Matthew Palmer wrote:
On Sat, Aug 07, 2004 at 10:47:45AM +0200, J?r?me Marant wrote:
Selon Matthew Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Fri, Aug 06, 2004 at 10:29:40PM +0200, J?r?me Marant wrote:
Evidence. I would like to see evidence that Debian has not
On Sat, Aug 07, 2004 at 09:55:27PM +1000, Matthew Palmer wrote:
The burden of evidence is on you. I'd like to see your proofs.
How about statements from the people who have decided not to participate
because of the culture? How many would convince you?
Our culture is our own. Every entity
[MJ Ray]
Are posts which should otherwise go to other lists accepted on -women
purely because they involve women? It looks that way from yesterday's
list description and past activity.
Is that your real concern? You should breathe a sigh of relief when
you learn that the goals of the
On Sat, 7 Aug 2004 21:11:33 +0200, Michael Banck [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
On Sat, Aug 07, 2004 at 09:38:53AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
The free software world has always benefited from selection
pressure and competition between opposing solutions; when some
thing does not work as you
On Sat, 7 Aug 2004 21:55:27 +1000, Matthew Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
On Fri, Aug 06, 2004 at 05:50:46PM -0700, Jonathan Walther wrote:
On Sat, Aug 07, 2004 at 10:41:33AM +1000, Matthew Palmer wrote:
What is left unexamined in all these discussions is why Debian
(as a project) should be
On Sat, Aug 07, 2004 at 04:26:01PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
Far as I can see, the mailing list has been created by a bunch of
volunteers who have an itch to scratch; and while I may not always
agree with the decisions taken, or the scoping of the effort, as
always people who do the work
On Sat, Aug 07, 2004 at 04:32:06PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
On Sat, 7 Aug 2004 21:55:27 +1000, Matthew Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
On Fri, Aug 06, 2004 at 05:50:46PM -0700, Jonathan Walther wrote:
On Sat, Aug 07, 2004 at 10:41:33AM +1000, Matthew Palmer wrote:
What is left
On Sat, Aug 07, 2004 at 02:42:17PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
On 2004-08-07 13:11:55 +0100 Matthew Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So you think that changing our culture to be less confrontational
would be
beneficial to encouraging participation by multiple groups?
Excellent.
Yes, but I'd
On Sat, Aug 07, 2004 at 09:38:53AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
On Sat, 7 Aug 2004 22:11:55 +1000, Matthew Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
On Fri, Aug 06, 2004 at 10:56:49PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
On Sat, 7 Aug 2004 10:41:33 +1000, Matthew Palmer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
On
On Sat, Aug 07, 2004 at 01:13:31PM -0700, Jonathan Walther wrote:
On Sat, Aug 07, 2004 at 09:49:35PM +1000, Matthew Palmer wrote:
On Sat, Aug 07, 2004 at 10:47:45AM +0200, J?r?me Marant wrote:
Selon Matthew Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Fri, Aug 06, 2004 at 10:29:40PM +0200, J?r?me Marant
On Sat, Aug 07, 2004 at 01:07:25PM -0700, Jonathan Walther wrote:
On Sat, Aug 07, 2004 at 09:37:40PM +1000, Matthew Palmer wrote:
Don't assume there are stairs preventing the wheel-chaired person from
getting onto the basketball court; SHOW THEM to us. The fact that few
wheel-chaired people
On Sat, Aug 07, 2004 at 01:16:52PM -0700, Jonathan Walther wrote:
On Sat, Aug 07, 2004 at 09:55:27PM +1000, Matthew Palmer wrote:
The burden of evidence is on you. I'd like to see your proofs.
How about statements from the people who have decided not to participate
because of the culture?
On Sat, Aug 07, 2004 at 12:54:29PM -0400, Christopher M. Hagar wrote:
On Sat, 7 Aug 2004 21:43:06 +1000
Matthew Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The culture of the project may be causing us to drive away Africans and
Hindus, yes. If so, I think we should consider it's effect and whether
On 2004-08-07 22:24:12 +0100 Peter Samuelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[MJ Ray]
Are posts which should otherwise go to other lists accepted on -women
purely because they involve women? It looks that way from yesterday's
list description and past activity.
Is that your real concern? [...]
I
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