Proposal of new admin pseudo BTS package

2004-09-24 Thread Christian Hammers
Hello I got the feeling that starting a discussion Cc'd to debian-admin is senseless as they seem too busy to answer. (See current mega-threads in debian-private that could have easily ended by a single definite statement by the admins) I therefore propose to create a pseudo bug packages for

Re: non-secret discussion on debian-project!

2004-09-24 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 23-09-2004 22:58, Richard A. Hecker wrote: | On Fri, Sep 24, 2004 at 02:55:41AM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: | |On 23-09-2004 19:30, Richard A. Hecker wrote: | | | ...snip... | || It is wrong for a person to equate d-private == secret_content. |

Re: Proposal of new admin pseudo BTS package

2004-09-24 Thread MJ Ray
On 2004-09-24 07:43:58 +0100 Christian Hammers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I therefore propose to create a pseudo bug packages for mail issues (and/or maybe one for general admin topics) like the existing lists.debian.org or www.debian.org. Probably a good first step. I would suggest admin

Re: Proposal of new admin pseudo BTS package

2004-09-24 Thread Christian Hammers
Hello On 2004-09-24 MJ Ray wrote: On 2004-09-24 07:43:58 +0100 Christian Hammers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I therefore propose to create a pseudo bug packages for mail issues (and/or maybe one for general admin topics) like the existing lists.debian.org or www.debian.org. Probably a

Re: Patent clauses in licenses

2004-09-24 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Thu, Sep 23, 2004 at 08:17:27AM -0400, Glenn Maynard wrote: On Thu, Sep 23, 2004 at 12:25:21PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: And again, I don't believe the freedom to prosecute with patent accusations is an important freedom to protect, any more than freedom to take my software

Re: Patent clauses in licenses

2004-09-24 Thread Michael Poole
Andrew Suffield writes: On Thu, Sep 23, 2004 at 08:17:27AM -0400, Glenn Maynard wrote: On Thu, Sep 23, 2004 at 12:25:21PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: And again, I don't believe the freedom to prosecute with patent accusations is an important freedom to protect, any more than

Re: Patent clauses in licenses

2004-09-24 Thread MJ Ray
On 2004-09-24 13:37:42 +0100 Michael Poole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Computer programs, by their nature, combine both copyrightable and patentable elements. Mathematical relationships are discoveries, not inventions. Similarly algorithms: the right one existed, but you just didn't know it.

Re: Patent clauses in licenses

2004-09-24 Thread Michael Poole
MJ Ray writes: On 2004-09-24 13:37:42 +0100 Michael Poole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Computer programs, by their nature, combine both copyrightable and patentable elements. Mathematical relationships are discoveries, not inventions. Similarly algorithms: the right one existed, but you

Re: Patent clauses in licenses

2004-09-24 Thread MJ Ray
On 2004-09-24 14:23:34 +0100 Michael Poole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your (claimed) law is not everyone's law. It's silly to ignore the case of the US [...] Similarly, it's silly to assert that US law is everyone's law and that computer programs are naturally patentable. It's silly that US

Re: Two Macedonias

2004-09-24 Thread Florian Weimer
* Matthew Garrett: Debian is not a document prepared by the Secretariat of the Council of Europe. As a result, it is not bound by this resolution. Following others in the area of geographical names helps to avoid conflicts. It's not Debian's task to take side in such international disputes.

Re: non-secret discussion on debian-project!

2004-09-24 Thread Richard A. Hecker
On Fri, Sep 24, 2004 at 11:06:30AM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: On 23-09-2004 22:58, Richard A. Hecker wrote: | | I see this secrecy-lock as a byproduct of d-private and not the main | goal. As you acknowledge above, laziness is the issue. Your solution | requires lazy people to jump

Re: Patent clauses in licenses

2004-09-24 Thread MJ Ray
On 2004-09-24 15:49:12 +0100 Michael Poole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] patents covering programs is not a problem specific to the USA. [...] Indeed, but that's neither global nor natural. The post I first replied to seemed to be claiming it was natural that programs are patentable. You

Re: Two Macedonias

2004-09-24 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Fri, 2004-09-24 at 16:41 +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: * Matthew Garrett: Debian is not a document prepared by the Secretariat of the Council of Europe. As a result, it is not bound by this resolution. Following others in the area of geographical names helps to avoid conflicts. It's

Re: Two Macedonias

2004-09-24 Thread MJ Ray
On 2004-09-24 15:41:54 +0100 Florian Weimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Following others in the area of geographical names helps to avoid conflicts. It's not Debian's task to take side in such international disputes. Should we follow the Republic of Macedonia, the EU foreign ministers, ISO or

Re: Patent clauses in licenses

2004-09-24 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Friday 24 September 2004 10:38 am, MJ Ray wrote: Similarly, it's silly to assert that US law is everyone's law and that computer programs are naturally patentable. I think it should be pretty clear by now that what is naturally patentable is anything that someone making lots of money

Re: Patent clauses in licenses

2004-09-24 Thread Michael Poole
MJ Ray writes: On 2004-09-24 15:49:12 +0100 Michael Poole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] patents covering programs is not a problem specific to the USA. [...] Indeed, but that's neither global nor natural. The post I first replied to seemed to be claiming it was natural that programs

Re: Proposal of new admin pseudo BTS package

2004-09-24 Thread Adam Heath
On Fri, 24 Sep 2004, Christian Hammers wrote: Hello I got the feeling that starting a discussion Cc'd to debian-admin is senseless as they seem too busy to answer. (See current mega-threads in debian-private that could have easily ended by a single definite statement by the admins) I

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Re: Proposal of new admin pseudo BTS package

2004-09-24 Thread MJ Ray
On 2004-09-24 18:06:47 +0100 Adam Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Get those who would supposedly benefit from this to agree. However, if they prefer the current way of doing things, you can't force it down their throat. How? Emails to admin addresses seem to go unanswered and we can't even

Re: Two Macedonias

2004-09-24 Thread florian klinglmueller
On Fri, Sep 24, 2004 at 04:21:57PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: On 2004-09-24 15:41:54 +0100 Florian Weimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Following others in the area of geographical names helps to avoid conflicts. It's not Debian's task to take side in such international disputes. Should we follow

Re: Patent clauses in licenses

2004-09-24 Thread MJ Ray
On 2004-09-24 17:03:17 +0100 Michael Poole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] When I said that computer programs include patentable elements in my earlier mail I meant simply that people can and have received patents that cover the operation of certain computer programs. Thank you for the

Re: Two Macedonias

2004-09-24 Thread siward
Hi all, Steve Langasek wrote : I don't see a reason for Debian to use any name at all for the Greek province of Macedonia. From Debian's standpoint, there is no namespace collision here; Debian's locale system generally only needs to know about top-level, autonomous territories. Steve, I

Re: Patent clauses in licenses

2004-09-24 Thread Michael Poole
MJ Ray writes: However, do we agree that a free copyright licence may not terminate when someone asserts a copyright claim? Suppose Alice publishes Asoft under the GPL. Bob files a lawsuit claiming that Asoft infringes his copyright on his proprietary program Bsoft. Does that breach section

Re: Proposal of new admin pseudo BTS package

2004-09-24 Thread Colin Watson
On Fri, Sep 24, 2004 at 10:46:12AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: On 2004-09-24 07:43:58 +0100 Christian Hammers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I therefore propose to create a pseudo bug packages for mail issues (and/or maybe one for general admin topics) like the existing lists.debian.org or www.debian.org.

Re: Proposal of new admin pseudo BTS package

2004-09-24 Thread MJ Ray
On 2004-09-24 12:05:57 +0100 Christian Hammers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so I thought that the project meta package is also more for organisatorical problems or things that concerns the project leader and not for specific problems with some mail server configuration... The pseudo-package is

Re: Patent clauses in licenses

2004-09-24 Thread Michael Poole
MJ Ray writes: On 2004-09-24 14:23:34 +0100 Michael Poole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your (claimed) law is not everyone's law. It's silly to ignore the case of the US [...] Similarly, it's silly to assert that US law is everyone's law and that computer programs are naturally patentable.