Re: Not-for-profit doesn't mean Never-get-money

2004-12-15 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 15-12-2004 01:22, Art McGee wrote: What distinguishes Capitalism from mere Sustainability are the concepts of Capital Accumulation, Incessant Growth, and Labor Exploitation. Take your political propaganda elsewhere. Maybe I missed

Re: Google ads on debian.org

2004-12-15 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 13:49:20 -0600, John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Stephen Frost writes: Interesting question, I imagine it would have to be SPI on behalf of Debian. But which specific individual would do the selling? It would involve a significant amount of work even if as much as

Re: Google ads on debian.org

2004-12-15 Thread MJ Ray
On 2004-12-15 15:14:51 + Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm. How hard is it to introduce bugs that one would subsequently get paid to fix? Not very hard. It's a situation described in the book The Dilbert Principle by Scott Adams. Now, when will DDs be issued with

Re: Google ads on debian.org

2004-12-15 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:27:15 -0500, Stephen Frost [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Perhaps not, as I said, I thought it'd be an interesting discussion, not that we should go out and market it as a new Debian thing to do. I don't mind valid critiques of why something isn't workable, I do mind

Re: Google ads on debian.org

2004-12-15 Thread Stephen Frost
* Manoj Srivastava ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Right. Money, in the form of donations, is nothing new. Money-for-work or money-for-advertizing is. There is a difference; the former is generouisly donated by people voluntarily because of the good they thing debian is doing; the latter

Re: Constant revenue source

2004-12-15 Thread Stephen Frost
* Manoj Srivastava ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:33:14 -0500, Stephen Frost [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: * Andrew Suffield ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Well, sure, but it's something intelligent to do w/ a consistent revenue stream that would benefit us through SPI (at least,

Re: Google ads on debian.org

2004-12-15 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 11:12:19 -0500, Stephen Frost [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: * Manoj Srivastava ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:27:15 -0500, Stephen Frost [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Perhaps not, as I said, I thought it'd be an interesting discussion, not that we should go out

Re: Google ads on debian.org

2004-12-15 Thread Kim
Hi all! At first it was a good idear to post this question here but since yesterday nothing much productive has happened. Without offending anyone it is a bit annoying to watch the same couple of people going on and on about this issue - leading to nowhere (according to my opinion). If

Re: Google ads on debian.org

2004-12-15 Thread Stephen Frost
* Kim ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: At first it was a good idear to post this question here but since yesterday nothing much productive has happened. Without offending anyone it is a bit annoying to watch the same couple of people going on and on about this issue - leading to nowhere

Re: Google ads on debian.org

2004-12-15 Thread Alexander Schmehl
* Stephen Frost [EMAIL PROTECTED] [041214 22:22]: Erm, we could always remove the google ads from the site if there was a problem. Well... I think my posting had an other point, but I can't remeber which. Sorry. Yours sincerely, Alexander

Re: Google ads on debian.org

2004-12-15 Thread John Hasler
SPI *is* a business... SPI is a corporation. That does not make it a business (just attend a few board meettings...) -- John Hasler

Re: Google ads on debian.org

2004-12-15 Thread Stephen Frost
* John Hasler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: SPI *is* a business... SPI is a corporation. That does not make it a business (just attend a few board meettings...) I've been to a few of them, and am an SPI member... corporation, business, shrug Stephen signature.asc Description:

Re: Google ads on debian.org

2004-12-15 Thread Kim
Stephen Frost wrote: * Kim ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: At first it was a good idear to post this question here but since yesterday nothing much productive has happened. Without offending anyone it is a bit annoying to watch the same couple of people going on and on about this issue - leading

Re: Google ads on debian.org

2004-12-15 Thread Stephen Frost
* Kim ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Stephen Frost wrote: Then I guess let me just say some of us aren't quite done yet. :) And thats cool, but it seems to me that the discussion has left the original area and has become a one on one discussion about something which really is a matter of

Re: Constant revenue source (was: Google ads on debian.org)

2004-12-15 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Tue, Dec 14, 2004 at 04:33:14PM -0500, Stephen Frost wrote: Sure, you could spend money on any of these things. But you can't *justify* spending money on them, because we don't need it. And I disagree, and these are only a few things upon which we could spend money, if we weren't so

Re: Google ads on debian.org

2004-12-15 Thread Alexander Schmehl
* Martin Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED] [041215 10:06]: The decision should be taken by the answers on two questions: 1. Does it go with our principles? 2. Does it add a benefit for our users? 3. Does it add a benefit for our developers / project? Just a special case of item 2. What's

Re: Constant revenue source

2004-12-15 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 11:25:40 -0500, Stephen Frost [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: * Manoj Srivastava ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:33:14 -0500, Stephen Frost [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: * Andrew Suffield ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Well, sure, but it's something intelligent to do

Re: Constant revenue source

2004-12-15 Thread Stephen Frost
* Stephen Frost ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: * Manoj Srivastava ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 11:25:40 -0500, Stephen Frost [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Simple, the DPL selects them. We elected him, and that indicates that we trust his decisions on such matters as how to spend

Re: Google ads on debian.org

2004-12-15 Thread John Hasler
Stephen Frost writes: The fact that Debian doesn't 'exist'... Organizations do not need to be incorporated to have legal existence. -- John Hasler