On Sun, Jan 09, 2005 at 03:21:40AM +, Matthew Garrett wrote:
Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't think I have a problem, conceptually, with a kernel package which
provides drivers for 10,000 different types of hardware, and needs to load
firmware from disk for 300 of them,
On Sun, Jan 09, 2005 at 07:51:58PM +, Matthew Garrett wrote:
You also need to turn this question around and ask it the other way:
does having these drivers in contrib actually hurt anything?
Yes. It currently means that we can't ship an installer with support for
this hardware, because
Craig Sanders dijo [Sun, Jan 09, 2005 at 05:28:23PM +1100]:
it's worse than just putting them in contrib. there's a whole bunch of
drivers with firmware blobs that have just been deleted from the kernel
sources. they're not in contrib, they're not in non-free, they're just gone.
this
On Mon, Jan 10, 2005 at 05:35:59PM +, Steve McIntyre wrote:
Andrew Suffield writes:
On Sun, Jan 09, 2005 at 07:51:58PM +, Matthew Garrett wrote:
You also need to turn this question around and ask it the other way:
does having these drivers in contrib actually hurt anything?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, Jan 09, 2005 at 03:22:45PM +0100, Martin Schulze wrote:
The larger problem is to identify non-free blobs in the main kernel,
extract them into non-free and modify the driver so that it is able
to load the blob from a user provided location; and include this in
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Being in contrib doesn't mean that a work is evil, nor is contrib a
second cousin to non-free.
It means that something is not part of debian and is not acceptable for
install media, which looks like a big enough problem to me.
It would be silly to be able to move a
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
True enough. I have a harder time justifying to myself keeping such drivers
in main, but I also think that the infrastructure needed in order to support
grabbing firmware out of non-free (for things like the installer) could
easily work for the case of contrib driver +
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I bet that, with some of these firmware blobs, we could
reverse-engineer and clean room clone them in a country with
permissive reverse engineering laws. At that point, we'd have
something that was definitely free.
I bet you could not, for interesting devices (DVB
On Mon, Jan 10, 2005 at 10:14:02AM -0800, Ben Pfaff wrote:
I bet that, with some of these firmware blobs, we could
reverse-engineer and clean room clone them in a country with
permissive reverse engineering laws. At that point, we'd have
something that was definitely free.
Anyone
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