World-Wide Open Source Society

2005-11-01 Thread Peter Makholm
Not strictly on topic but Debian i one of the best ressources for dedicated open source people. In the Danish open source community we are somehow mystified about an organisation calling them self "Danish Open Source Society" (DOSS). On their website they claim the support of Bruce Perens and thei

Re: DCC (Debian Confusion Core) trademark negotiation status

2005-11-01 Thread Nathanael Nerode
John Hasler wrote: >> They need to be asked to change their FAQ to remove more trademark >> infringements. > > Careful. While I agree that all the changes you suggest are desireable, I > think that most are nominative and so do not infringe the > trademark. Well, the ones I mentioned later, per

Re: DCCA name change and remaining issues

2005-11-01 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Don Armstrong wrote: > On Tue, 01 Nov 2005, Nathanael Nerode wrote: >> their FAQ still contains an enormous amount of misuse of the Debian >> name, as noted in a message I sent on a different thread (and cc:ed >> to them). I think this can all be fixed if they just rewrite it. > > Use of the trad

Re: DCCA name change and remaining issues

2005-11-01 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 01 Nov 2005, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > their FAQ still contains an enormous amount of misuse of the Debian > name, as noted in a message I sent on a different thread (and cc:ed > to them). I think this can all be fixed if they just rewrite it. Use of the trademark in a purely descriptive f

Re: Status update from Create Commons workgroup?

2005-11-01 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Nathanael Nerode] > If we knew which of the two suggestions "did not have the effect > intended" (and why), we could come up with plenty of alternate > suggestions. In addition, a few of our suggestions were of the > "this is way too confusing to read" variety rather than the "this is > non-free

Re: DCC (Debian Confusion Core) trademark negotiation status

2005-11-01 Thread John Hasler
> They need to be asked to change their FAQ to remove more trademark > infringements. Careful. While I agree that all the changes you suggest are desireable, I think that most are nominative and so do not infringe the trademark. -- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Elmwood, WI USA -- To UNSUBSCR

Re: GPL v3 process

2005-11-01 Thread Florian Weimer
* Nathanael Nerode: > Florian Weimer wrote: > >> Do Debian or SPI participate in the GPL v3 process? >> >> I think Debian should, to make sure that license compatibility does >> not decrease substantially, and that things like the purported >> anti-DRM clauses remain practical. > > We'd love to,

Re: DCCA name change and remaining issues

2005-11-01 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Don Armstrong wrote: > Just to clarify what the current status of my delegation to resolve > the trademark issues surrounding the DCCA: > > The DCCA/DCC has changed their name to be a recursive acronym, thereby > removing any mention of Debian's mark in their name, and resolving the > primary tra

Re: Approaching VMware (and others) to get Debian listed as supported ?

2005-11-01 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Ben Pfaff wrote: > "Yann Dirson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Debian is not listed in the list of supported OS on the VMware >> website[1]. > [...] > > I asked my contact at VMware (a manager) about the situation. > The message I sent him was this: > >> It's recently come up on the Debian m

Re: Status update from Create Commons workgroup?

2005-11-01 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: > > What is the current status of the work going on to try to make some of > the Creative Commons licenses acceptable according to the Debian free > software guidelines? I know there were a workgroup being formed in > March, and I hope they are doing good work. > > I

Re: General linux question.

2005-11-01 Thread Nathanael Nerode
João Pinheiro wrote: > There are quite a few differences between them. The most notable one > would be the packaging system, .deb vs. .rpm, where Debian really kick > the hell out of Red Hat. Some of the core packages have some substantial differences as well, such as the network management scrip

Re: DCC (Debian Confusion Core) trademark negotiation status

2005-11-01 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Cc:ed to dcca-discuss, since that's who needs to change this FAQ. Anthony Towns wrote: > On Mon, Oct 17, 2005 at 05:01:06PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: >> Look at the www.dccalliance.org website: They need to be asked to change their FAQ to remove more trademark infringements. It refers repeate

Re: What the DFSG really says about trademarks

2005-11-01 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Anthony Towns wrote: > On Tue, Aug 09, 2005 at 11:34:41AM -0700, Bruce Perens wrote: >> This latest round was provoked by the DCC announcement. I participated >> in the DCCA meeting yesterday evening. The organization has agreed to >> call themselves the Debian Common Core Association in order to

Re: "Debian" Core Consortium

2005-11-01 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Benj. Mako Hill wrote: > The stated goal of the trademark committee was to come up a policy > that was as permissive as possible (in the DFSG sense) while still > operating within what is required by trademark law. Unlike copyright, > failing to enforce or taking a completely permissive attitude t

Re: GPL v3 process

2005-11-01 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Florian Weimer wrote: > Do Debian or SPI participate in the GPL v3 process? > > I think Debian should, to make sure that license compatibility does > not decrease substantially, and that things like the purported > anti-DRM clauses remain practical. We'd love to, but it's not a open process at t

Re: Debian Pure Trademark Issue

2005-11-01 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Robert Tolu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-11-01 07:30]: > The name is now GenieOS and the link to the home page is: Thank you very much, and good luck! -- Martin Michlmayr http://www.cyrius.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAI

Debian Pure Trademark Issue

2005-11-01 Thread Robert Tolu
Dear Debian Developers: I wrote some weeks back regarding the Debian Pure project I head up. After receiving responses from many of you, it was clear that Debian Pure had infringed on the Debian trademark. As a result, the site has been closed and a new site opened. The name is now GenieOS and

Re: Installation

2005-11-01 Thread Christoph Haas
Rafi, glad to see you are interested in using Debian. On Tuesday 01 November 2005 10:36, Rafi Gabzu wrote: > 1. Do you recommend Debian although I'm not going to work as a server > and I'm new in Linux? If you like to learn more about how a GNU distribution works then Debian is probably for you.

Re: Installation

2005-11-01 Thread Robert Ribnitz
Rafi Gabzu wrote: > Hi, > I'm quite new in Linux, I currently have the Mandriva distribution. > Questions: > 1. Do you recommend Debian although I'm not going to work as a server > and I'm new in Linux? > 2. Is the installation process is by command lines , not graphics ? If > not graphic , is it

Re: Installation

2005-11-01 Thread Marc Haber
Hi, your question seems more appropriate on the Debian-user mailing list. On Tue, Nov 01, 2005 at 11:36:58AM +0200, Rafi Gabzu wrote: > 1. Do you recommend Debian although I'm not going to work as a server and > I'm new in Linux? Depends on the degree of learning you are willing to invest. > 2.

Installation

2005-11-01 Thread Rafi Gabzu
Hi, I'm quite new in Linux, I currently have the Mandriva distribution. Questions: 1. Do you recommend Debian although I'm not going to work as a server and I'm new in Linux? 2. Is the installation process is by command lines , not graphics ? If not graphic , is it complex/requires lot of time ? 3.

Re: GPL v3 process

2005-11-01 Thread Anthony Towns
On Mon, Oct 31, 2005 at 10:58:41PM -0600, Peter Samuelson wrote: > [Florian Weimer] > > Do Debian or SPI participate in the GPL v3 process? > That's a question for debian-legal. Well, really it's a question for > the FSF. My impression is that there is no "GPL v3 process" except > whatever is don

Re: GPL v3 process

2005-11-01 Thread MJ Ray
Peter Samuelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > [Florian Weimer] > > Do Debian or SPI participate in the GPL v3 process? > > That's a question for debian-legal. Well, really it's a question for > the FSF. My impression is that there is no "GPL v3 process" except > whatever is done behind closed doors at t