Re: Rethinking stable updates policy

2006-08-25 Thread Martin Schulze
John Goerzen wrote: > Hello, > > The Debian stable distribution has been a thorn in our side for a long > time. We tend to go a long time between releases, which means that > stable grows less and less useful as time goes on. We also have a > strict policy on what is allowed into stable. > > Th

Re: Rethinking stable updates policy

2006-08-25 Thread Fabio Tranchitella
Il giorno ven, 25/08/2006 alle 16.45 -0500, John Goerzen ha scritto: > * Updates must undergo testing, ideally with peer review This could be impossible if stable and testing distributions are binary-incompatible (ie. using different versions of glibc), just like sarge and etch are in this moment

Re: Rethinking stable updates policy

2006-08-25 Thread Marc Haber
On Fri, Aug 25, 2006 at 04:45:31PM -0500, John Goerzen wrote: > I think it's time we reopen the discussion on what stable means and what > it should mean. > > To start with, [1] says that a package is only uploaded to stable when > it meets one of these criteria: > > * it fixes a truly critical

Rethinking stable updates policy

2006-08-25 Thread John Goerzen
Hello, The Debian stable distribution has been a thorn in our side for a long time. We tend to go a long time between releases, which means that stable grows less and less useful as time goes on. We also have a strict policy on what is allowed into stable. This policy has many merits, especiall

Re: Proposal: Source code is important for all works in Debian, and required for programmatic ones

2006-08-25 Thread Alexander Wirt
Alexander Wirt schrieb am Freitag, den 25. August 2006: > Don Armstrong schrieb am Donnerstag, den 24. August 2006: > > > I'd like to propose the following option to the current GR process. > I second this proposal. I have to say a few mores word to it. It would be fully ok for me if we release

Re: Proposal: Source code is important for all works in Debian, and required for programmatic ones

2006-08-25 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, Aug 24, 2006 at 11:51:51PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: > I'd like to propose the following option to the current GR process. I like your proposal too. As for D, maybe we could word it a bit differently, as it will be a arduous task, with little success chances in the general case. Maybe w

Re: Proposal: Source code is important for all works in Debian, and required for programmatic ones

2006-08-25 Thread Kari Pahula
I second this proposal. On Thu, Aug 24, 2006 at 11:51:51PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: > I'd like to propose the following option to the current GR process. > > As I will (starting late sunday PDT) be away for a week and a few days > at Burning Man,[i] I will be unable to appropriately respond to

Re: Proposal: The DFSG do not require source code for data, including firmware

2006-08-25 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Matthew Garrett] > The biggest area which is likely to bite us is with network cards, > though we'll probably lose some degree of SCSI support as well. Fortunately, at least with SCSI, users have a choice. They can buy Adaptec or LSI 53c* and they get _truly free_ firmware (in the case of Adap

Re: Proposal: Source code is important for all works in Debian, and required for programmatic ones

2006-08-25 Thread René van Bevern
Hello, I second this proposal independently of the presence of the D clause, although I prefer it being not removed. Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I'd like to propose the following option to the current GR process. > > As I will (starting late sunday PDT) be away for a week and a f

Re: Proposal: Source code is important for all works in Debian, and required for programmatic ones

2006-08-25 Thread Alexander Wirt
Don Armstrong schrieb am Donnerstag, den 24. August 2006: > I'd like to propose the following option to the current GR process. I second this proposal. > > As I will (starting late sunday PDT) be away for a week and a few days > at Burning Man,[i] I will be unable to appropriately respond to > c

Re: Proposal: Source code is important for all works in Debian, and required for programmatic ones

2006-08-25 Thread Don Armstrong
On Thu, 24 Aug 2006, Don Armstrong wrote: > D. Requests that vendors of hardware, even those whose firmware is > not loaded by the operating system, provide the prefered form for > modification so that purchasers of their hardware are can This should read 'hardware can exercise'; I had

Re: Proposal: Source code is important for all works in Debian, and required for programmatic ones

2006-08-25 Thread Pierre Habouzit
Le ven 25 août 2006 08:51, Don Armstrong a écrit : I second that proposition > = > > The Free Software movement is about enabling users to modify the > works that they use on their computer; about giving users the same > informat