Re: Need of non-germany-tree in Debian?

2007-07-13 Thread Nico Golde
Hi, * Michelle Konzack [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-07-13 17:08]: Am 2007-07-06 19:26:44, schrieb Malte Hahlbeck: Today the upper House of the German Parliament (Bundesrat) decided to declare Security Software like nmap, nessus etc. illegal in a way that the software itself and not it's

Re: Need of non-germany-tree in Debian?

2007-07-13 Thread Stephen Frost
* Nico Golde ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Looks like you don't understand the law. There is no list with tools which met the criteria. But the criteria is that the tool enables or helps you to get access to private data which matches nmap no matter if you use it for personal network security

Re: Need of non-germany-tree in Debian?

2007-07-13 Thread Nico Golde
Hi, * Stephen Frost [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-07-13 18:16]: * Nico Golde ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Looks like you don't understand the law. There is no list with tools which met the criteria. But the criteria is that the tool enables or helps you to get access to private data which

Re: Need of non-germany-tree in Debian?

2007-07-13 Thread Marc Haber
On Fri, Jul 13, 2007 at 05:01:03PM +0200, Michelle Konzack wrote: Am 2007-07-06 19:26:44, schrieb Malte Hahlbeck: Today the upper House of the German Parliament (Bundesrat) decided to declare Security Software like nmap, nessus etc. illegal in a way that the software itself and not it's

Re: Need of non-germany-tree in Debian?

2007-07-13 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
Sorry, but this is NOT REALY RIGHT! The new german LAW is talking about Software which was build to hack sites. Security Software like nmap, nessus etc. are not build to do illegal hacking. (Greetings from my Advocat from Offenburg) Interpretation of that law differs. Ask three

Re: Deficiencies in Debian

2007-07-13 Thread gregor herrmann
On Fri, 18 May 2007 22:09:56 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: [training the next generation] I'm not following the Linux community closely; do you think there are points Debian could adopt or learn from? I try to summarize (hopefully correctly) your points: With Linux, I think it helps a lot

Re: Deficiencies in Debian

2007-07-13 Thread Russ Allbery
gregor herrmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, 18 May 2007 22:09:56 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: And one of the best things about the Linux model is that Linus regularly talks about how he wants things done and what leads him to take stuff or not take stuff in public on the lists, which

Re: Need of non-germany-tree in Debian?

2007-07-13 Thread Michael Meskes
On Fri, Jul 13, 2007 at 07:02:03PM +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: Interpretation of that law differs. Ask three lawyers, get five answers. also a lot of lawyers neither know the difference between hacking and cracking nor know why you should need to use such 'evil' software for your own

Re: Need of non-germany-tree in Debian?

2007-07-13 Thread Malte Hahlbeck
Michelle Konzack wrote: The new german LAW is talking about Software which was build to hack sites. Security Software like nmap, nessus etc. are not build to do illegal hacking. (Greetings from my Advocat from Offenburg) But they could be used to prepare an attack. It talks about the