Re: confusion about non-free (Re: Bits from the Debian Eee PC team, summer 2008)

2008-08-04 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Aug 05, Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I disagree. The Release file in the archive is a configuration file that > is part of the software interface to the archive. The terminology that it > uses refers to capabilities within the archive maintenance software and > within the softwar

Re: confusion about non-free (Re: Bits from the Debian Eee PC team, summer 2008)

2008-08-04 Thread Russ Allbery
Giacomo Catenazzi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Russ Allbery wrote: >> I recommend not attributing such judgements to the configuration files >> of software packages. > Sorry??? > It is more that a configuration file, and BTW the same notation it is > also used by apt. Archive and its format are

Re: confusion about non-free (Re: Bits from the Debian Eee PC team, summer 2008)

2008-08-04 Thread Adeodato Simó
* Robert Millan [Mon, 04 Aug 2008 21:17:20 +0200]: > Just to make it clear, please don't take it as if I were recriminating > something to you. Pero qué coño de vergüenza tienes tú. How do you have the balls to say that this message: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2008/08/msg00038.html

Re: confusion about non-free (Re: Bits from the Debian Eee PC team, summer 2008)

2008-08-04 Thread Giacomo Catenazzi
Russ Allbery wrote: > Robert Millan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Therefore Lenny is not Debian, but a superset of it? >> >> This is troubling. Do you have any suggestions on how to address this? > > I recommend not attributing such judgements to the configuration files of > software packages

Re: confusion about non-free (Re: Bits from the Debian Eee PC team, summer 2008)

2008-08-04 Thread Ben Armstrong
Some good points here, but can we please continue this on debian-project and stop cross-posting to debian-devel? Thanks, Ben -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: confusion about non-free (Re: Bits from the Debian Eee PC team, summer 2008)

2008-08-04 Thread Russ Allbery
Robert Millan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Therefore Lenny is not Debian, but a superset of it? > > This is troubling. Do you have any suggestions on how to address this? I recommend not attributing such judgements to the configuration files of software packages. I'm looking for review of http

Dealing gently with our peers (was: confusion about non-free)

2008-08-04 Thread Ben Armstrong
On Mon, 4 Aug 2008 21:17:20 +0200 Robert Millan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Just to make it clear, please don't take it as if I were recriminating > something to you. My understanding is that this problem is about general > perception and I don't think it's your fault in any way. I understand th

Re: confusion about non-free (Re: Bits from the Debian Eee PC team, summer 2008)

2008-08-04 Thread Robert Millan
On Mon, Aug 04, 2008 at 10:22:16PM +0300, Yavor Doganov wrote: > Robert Millan wrote: > > > > > Lenny is Debian. non-free is not part of Debian. Check the > > > Social Contract. > > > > I wonder what is it that we do wrong to spread this confusion so > > much that it affects even Debian develop

Re: confusion about non-free (Re: Bits from the Debian Eee PC team, summer 2008)

2008-08-04 Thread Michael Banck
On Mon, Aug 04, 2008 at 09:17:20PM +0200, Robert Millan wrote: > It wasn't my intention at all to hurt someone, so I said things in the > kindest way I could, without getting personal. If that was the best you could do, that's troubling. > But you have to see both sides of things. When I saw t

Re: confusion about non-free (Re: Bits from the Debian Eee PC team, summer 2008)

2008-08-04 Thread Giacomo Catenazzi
Robert Millan wrote: > On Mon, Aug 04, 2008 at 03:18:24PM +0200, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote: >> : Origin: Debian >> : Label: Debian >> : Suite: testing >> : Codename: lenny >> : Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 08:39:59 UTC >> : Architectures: alpha amd64 arm armel hppa i386 ia64 mips mipsel >> powerpc s390

Re: confusion about non-free (Re: Bits from the Debian Eee PC team, summer 2008)

2008-08-04 Thread Robert Millan
On Mon, Aug 04, 2008 at 04:01:50PM -0300, Ben Armstrong wrote: > On Mon, 4 Aug 2008 20:36:17 +0200 > Robert Millan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Therefore Lenny is not Debian, but a superset of it? > > > > This is troubling. Do you have any suggestions on how to address this? > > I have never u

Re: confusion about non-free (Re: Bits from the Debian Eee PC team, summer 2008)

2008-08-04 Thread Robert Millan
On Sun, Aug 03, 2008 at 09:51:42AM -0300, Ben Armstrong wrote: > > Before this thread goes much further, examine the context, please. > Read the whole thing and then tell me I am confused: Hi Ben, Just to make it clear, please don't take it as if I were recriminating something to you. My unders

Re: confusion about non-free (Re: Bits from the Debian Eee PC team, summer 2008)

2008-08-04 Thread Robert Millan
On Mon, Aug 04, 2008 at 08:46:36PM +0200, Julien Cristau wrote: > On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 20:36:17 +0200, Robert Millan wrote: > > > This is troubling. Do you have any suggestions on how to address this? > > Stop trolling about utterly uninteresting details? I think it's you who are trolling.

Re: confusion about non-free (Re: Bits from the Debian Eee PC team, summer 2008)

2008-08-04 Thread Ben Armstrong
On Mon, 4 Aug 2008 20:36:17 +0200 Robert Millan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Therefore Lenny is not Debian, but a superset of it? > > This is troubling. Do you have any suggestions on how to address this? I have never understood this to be the case. Our codenames refer to Debian releases. Both

Re: confusion about non-free (Re: Bits from the Debian Eee PC team, summer 2008)

2008-08-04 Thread Julien Cristau
On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 20:36:17 +0200, Robert Millan wrote: > This is troubling. Do you have any suggestions on how to address this? Stop trolling about utterly uninteresting details? HTH, Julien -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact

Re: confusion about non-free (Re: Bits from the Debian Eee PC team, summer 2008)

2008-08-04 Thread Robert Millan
On Mon, Aug 04, 2008 at 03:18:24PM +0200, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote: > : Origin: Debian > : Label: Debian > : Suite: testing > : Codename: lenny > : Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 08:39:59 UTC > : Architectures: alpha amd64 arm armel hppa i386 ia64 mips mipsel > powerpc s390 sparc > : Components: main co

Re: confusion about non-free (Re: Bits from the Debian Eee PC team, summer 2008)

2008-08-04 Thread Giacomo A. Catenazzi
Robert Millan wrote: [ adding debian-project ] On Sun, Aug 03, 2008 at 01:53:54PM +0200, Robert Millan wrote: On Sun, Aug 03, 2008 at 08:28:19AM -0300, Ben Armstrong wrote: Earliest Eee models fully supported in Lenny Lenny will release with the atl2 ethernet driver and the non-free mad