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Re: Re-thinking Debian membership

On Sat, Oct 25 2008, Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Sat,25.Oct.08, 09:41:35, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > >> If you are not voting or uploading packages, everythign else you >> do can be done without a maintainers hat on, so you do not need to be >> a DD. > > Does this mean you oppose to the co

Re: Developer Status

On Sun, 26 Oct 2008 00:24:06 +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > [ Still, I found quite telling that I can't remember your acronyms > without looking again at your mail, while I still remember the > names proposed in Joerg's mail. For me it's exactly the other way round, but I guess referring

Re: obsolete CVS repositories (was: Release notes)

Hi, Could you also update dak's README to point to: instead of the obsolete bzr repo? thanks, guillem -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: giving @debian.org mail addresses to voting contributors

>> Why not @people.debian.org ? It represents pretty good what thoses >> eventual "contributors" would: the _people_ who make Debian. > In fact, I've already argued in this thread that @whatever.debian.org > will need nevertheless to share the namespace with @debian.org > domain. (I.e., I don't wa

Re: Re-thinking Debian membership

On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 10:29:54AM +0200, Michael Hanke wrote: > > If you want to help over with that, step in and help the currently > > understaffed MIA team. > This is the main point! Changing the default from 'once in, in forever' > to 'in as long as being active' makes the MIA team obsolete. >

Re: NEW queue

On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 11:38:48PM +0200, Ana Guerrero wrote: > - We keep the right to refuse *any* candidate for whatever reason. > > That is not exaclty encouraging. So think maybe you are doing > something wrong when calling and accepting candidates. Oh, please! They got less than 5 applic

Re: Developer Status

On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 04:56:36PM -0300, Felipe Sateler wrote: > My name is on the Maintainer field of 2 packages in main, and I > think we can consider the Maintainer fields as "a list of > contributors" (evidently, not all of them). I haven't (formally) > agreed to any document, my key is not si

Re: Developer Status

On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 09:51:01AM +0200, Bas Wijnen wrote: > > Hence, I still don't by your argument. > > I admit that that wasn't the strongest point. The main reason is the > part you didn't quote, though: I understand, but remember that my objection was about dismissing "DD", I did not comme

Re: Developer Status

On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 04:56:09PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > If you insist. Note that I'll vote against it -- I've never liked > procedures whose sole purpose is to change procedures. This is not much of an argument. DEPs were indeed intended to change procedures, but to reach specific goal

giving @debian.org mail addresses to voting contributors

On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 09:35:33PM +0200, Didier Raboud wrote: > Why not @people.debian.org ? It represents pretty good what thoses > eventual "contributors" would: the _people_ who make Debian. In fact, I've already argued in this thread that @whatever.debian.org will need nevertheless to share t

Re: Re-thinking Debian membership

Andrei Popescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sat,25.Oct.08, 09:41:35, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > > If you are not voting or uploading packages, everythign > > else you do can be done without a maintainers hat on, so you do > > not need to be a DD. > > Does this mean you oppose to

Re: Developer Status

Bas Wijnen wrote: > On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 05:40:32PM -0300, Felipe Sateler wrote: >> >> Basically, they need to pass the ID check, agree to the Social >> >> Contract/DFSG and have successfully answered a set of questions >> >> similar to the ones used in the current first P&P step, to keep doing

Re: Re-thinking Debian membership

On Sat,25.Oct.08, 09:41:35, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > If you are not voting or uploading packages, everythign else you > do can be done without a maintainers hat on, so you do not need to be > a DD. Does this mean you oppose to the concept of having non-packagers being members of the

Re: Re-thinking Debian membership

On Sat, Oct 25 2008, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le samedi 25 octobre 2008 à 01:12 -0500, Manoj Srivastava a écrit : >> One of the issues I have with this proposal is that there seems >> to be, by design, absolutely no consideration about skill levels or >> quality of developers. I'll conc

Re: Re-thinking Debian membership

On Sat, Oct 25 2008, Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Sat,25.Oct.08, 00:36:06, Aurelien Jarno wrote: > >> My point is that if your only activity in Debian is periodically >> answering an automated email, I don't see the point of staying member of >> the project. > > How about this: every Debian Member c

obsolete CVS repositories (was: Release notes)

(Re obsolete cvs repositories on gluck aka cvs.d.o) (if you got BCCed, congratulations, you are in one of the affected cvs groups.) On Wed, 08 Oct 2008, Raphael Hertzog wrote: [debbugs] > Don responded, it moved to bzr: http://bugs.debian.org/debbugs-source/ > http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/Debbugs

Re: Re-thinking Debian membership

Le samedi 25 octobre 2008 à 01:12 -0500, Manoj Srivastava a écrit : > One of the issues I have with this proposal is that there seems > to be, by design, absolutely no consideration about skill levels or > quality of developers. I'll concede that the current process might not > do a grea

Re: Re-thinking Debian membership

On Sat,25.Oct.08, 00:36:06, Aurelien Jarno wrote: > My point is that if your only activity in Debian is periodically > answering an automated email, I don't see the point of staying member of > the project. How about this: every Debian Member chooses his own method of stating "I am active in t

Re: Re-thinking Debian membership

On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 10:02:42AM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 02:49:13PM +0200, Michael Hanke wrote: > > Thinking about this again, 'public' access to the keyring could also > > be a way to address the 'large number of inactive developers' -- > > _if_ they exist. Any

Re: Developer Status

Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote: > Do you think a Debian voter would not be interested > on other areas? Not to be an expert, but a very simple > tests could be useful, and not the test for usual > packers. If somebody is *interested* in something they will teach themselves. The Debian project does no

Re: Developer Status

Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 04:30:31PM +0200, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote: Joey Schulze wrote: Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote: To cite an extreme example, Ingo Juergensman doesn't do packaging nor anything of the above. Nevertheless, he's an active member of the Debian community

Re: Re-thinking Debian membership

On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 04:53:28PM +0200, Leo costela Antunes wrote: > Or implementing something like the suggestion from Michael Hanke[0], > making the process open, but not immediate. No, it is not enough. The public visibility of changes on a wiki does not grant that every single page do not g

Re: Re-thinking Debian membership

On Sat, 25 Oct 2008, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 02:49:13PM +0200, Michael Hanke wrote: > > Thinking about this again, 'public' access to the keyring could also > > be a way to address the 'large number of inactive developers' -- > > _if_ they exist. Anyone could trigger th

Re: Re-thinking Debian membership

On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 02:49:13PM +0200, Michael Hanke wrote: > Thinking about this again, 'public' access to the keyring could also > be a way to address the 'large number of inactive developers' -- > _if_ they exist. Anyone could trigger the removal of anybody (using > the staging approach outli

Re: Re-thinking Debian membership

On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 03:53:46PM +0300, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > pe, 2008-10-24 kello 12:18 +0200, Peter Palfrader kirjoitti: > > On Fri, 24 Oct 2008, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > > > * The keyrings shall be maintained in a way that allows any > > > member to change them, > > The rationale is simple: