Re: Spamming the World through Open Debian Mailinglists (Re: lists.debian.org has received bounces from you)

2008-12-29 Thread Michelle Konzack
Hello Don, Am 2008-12-27 03:31:45, schrieb Don Armstrong: > If you don't want to deal with the occasional spam that gets through, > then feel free to unsubscribe. Furthemore, the thresholds for > automatic unsubscription are set fairly high anyway; the warning > messages we send out are for your i

Re: PATCH for spamass-milter to solve Debian list spam->bounce issue (Was:- Spamming the World through Open Debian Mailinglists....)

2008-12-29 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2008-12-27 16:55:58, schrieb Jeroen Massar: > I already pointed this out the previous time I was complaining about > getting unsubscribed. liszt.debian.org seems to run the same setup: > postfix+spamassasin (though I dunno if you are using spamass-milter > there, but you should otherwise); it se

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Re: Spamming the World through Open Debian Mailinglists (Re: lists.debian.org has received bounces from you)

2008-12-29 Thread Michelle Konzack
Hello Jeroen, I am on 65 Debian Lists (or 147 in total) and from Debian I get per day less then 38 spams... and most are filtered by "spamassassin" and some simple "procmail" rules... Oh yes, the BTS (I am subscribed to any packages installed on my own systems and those of my customers, he

Re: Re: Recommender systems (Re: Voting on messages: a way to resolve the mailing list problems)

2008-12-29 Thread MJ Ray
Filipus Klutiero wrote: > MJ Ray wrote: > > I consider filtered indices, auto-responses, shadow lists of only > > "good" messages, highlighting, integration with db.debian.org and some > > of the other uses for this data to be recommendation systems. > > > A filtered thread index as proposed is

Re: PATCH for spamass-milter to solve Debian list spam->bounce issue (Was:- Spamming the World through Open Debian Mailinglists....)

2008-12-29 Thread Cord Beermann
Hallo! Du (Michelle Konzack) hast geschrieben: >In how many languages do you receive messages? > >I get german, english, french, spanish, portugues, arabic, turkish and >persian messages > >Some times I get korean and chinese to because I have business contacts >there. > >Tried to educate "spama

Re: Debian should focus on common grounds ....

2008-12-29 Thread MJ Ray
Osamu Aoki wrote: > I am sick of seeing too many votes/policy-discussion/... to force other > volunteers to obey particular action patters. Basic principle of this > project should be more inclusive one and volunteer one. It should not > be a one of exclusion and enforcement. Volunteer project

Re: Recommender systems (Re: Voting on messages: a way to resolve the mailing list problems)

2008-12-29 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Thanks for writing to my email address; I'm not subscribed to the list as you may have realized. Le December 29, 2008 06:59:30 am MJ Ray, vous avez écrit : > Filipus Klutiero wrote: > > MJ Ray wrote: > > > I consider filtered indices, auto-responses, shadow lists of only > > > "good" messages, h

Discussion: Possible GR: Enhance requirements for General Resolutions

2008-12-29 Thread Joerg Jaspert
Hi, I have felt for some time that the low requirement for seconds on General Resolutions is something that should be fixed. We are over 1000 Developers, if you can't find more than 5 people supporting your idea, its most probably not worth it taking time of everyone. Various IRC discussions told

Re: Discussion: Possible GR: Enhance requirements for General Resolutions

2008-12-29 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
Joerg Jaspert writes: > a) The constitution gets changed to not require K developers to sponsor > a resolution, but floor(2Q). [see §4.2(1)] This would mean that you need almost as many sponsors as is required for the quorum (2Q vs 3Q). I think that is too much. I think floor(Q) sponsors wou

Re: Discussion: Possible GR: Enhance requirements for General Resolutions

2008-12-29 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Kalle Kivimaa said: > Joerg Jaspert writes: > > a) The constitution gets changed to not require K developers to sponsor > > a resolution, but floor(2Q). [see §4.2(1)] > > This would mean that you need almost as many sponsors as is required > for the quorum (2Q vs

Re: Discussion: Possible GR: Enhance requirements for General Resolutions

2008-12-29 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 30 Dec 2008, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > Therefore the Debian project resolves that > a) The constitution gets changed to not require K developers to sponsor > a resolution, but floor(2Q). [see §4.2(1)] > b) Delaying a decision of a Delegate or the DPL [§4.2(2.2)], > as well as resolut

Re: Discussion: Possible GR: Enhance requirements for General Resolutions

2008-12-29 Thread Ben Finney
Don Armstrong writes: > 1: I'd be happier, though, if those proposing and seconding options > would be more careful about the effects that their options may have, > and be more vigilant about withdrawing options when more palletable > options exist. Absolutely agreed with this sentiment. > You

Re: Discussion: Possible GR: Enhance requirements for General Resolutions

2008-12-29 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, > > General Resolutions are an important framework within the Debian > Project. Yet, in a project the size of Debian, the current requirements > to initiate one are too smal

Re: Discussion: Possible GR: Enhance requirements for General Resolutions

2008-12-29 Thread gregor herrmann
On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 00:54:41 +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > I have felt for some time that the low requirement for seconds on General > Resolutions is something that should be fixed. We are over 1000 > Developers, if you can't find more than 5 people supporting your idea, > its most probably not wo

Re: Discussion: Possible GR: Enhance requirements for General Resolutions

2008-12-29 Thread Russ Allbery
Ben Finney writes: > Don Armstrong writes: >> You should not be proposing or seconding an option that you don't >> plan on ranking first. > This seems quite wrong. Why should one not carefully and precisely > phrase and propose an option that one does *not* agree with, in order to > get it vote

Re: Discussion: Possible GR: Enhance requirements for General Resolutions

2008-12-29 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 01:50:37AM +0100, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: >> b) Delaying a decision of a Delegate or the DPL [§4.2(2.2)], >> as well as resolutions against a shortening of discussion/voting >> period or to overwrite a TC decision [§4.2(2.

Re: Discussion: Possible GR: Enhance requirements for General Resolutions

2008-12-29 Thread Ben Finney
Russ Allbery writes: > Ben Finney writes: > > Don Armstrong writes: > > >> You should not be proposing or seconding an option that you don't > >> plan on ranking first. > > > This seems quite wrong. Why should one not carefully and precisely > > phrase and propose an option that one does *not

Re: Discussion: Possible GR: Enhance requirements for General Resolutions

2008-12-29 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 30 Dec 2008, Ben Finney wrote: > Another purpose, that I've seen recently a few times, is people > proposing *several* discrete options for a ballot, carefully > phrasing them to be distinct in order to clarify the meaning of the > vote's result. If no one is going to rank those options hi

Re: Discussion: Possible GR: Enhance requirements for General Resolutions

2008-12-29 Thread Russ Allbery
Ben Finney writes: > I get the feeling you've excluded the middle between “propose an option > one does not plan on raking first”, and “propose an option no-one > wants on the ballot”. I'm not sure that I find it usefully different, unless what you're proposing is a compromise that you hope ever

Re: Discussion: Possible GR: Enhance requirements for General Resolutions

2008-12-29 Thread Ben Finney
Don Armstrong writes: > On Tue, 30 Dec 2008, Ben Finney wrote: > > Another purpose, that I've seen recently a few times, is people > > proposing *several* discrete options for a ballot, carefully > > phrasing them to be distinct in order to clarify the meaning of > > the vote's result. > > If no

Re: Discussion: Possible GR: Enhance requirements for General Resolutions

2008-12-29 Thread Ben Finney
Russ Allbery writes: > Sure, I'm all for clarity and precision. I just don't see a reason > to put the ones that no one wants to champion on the final ballot. Nor do I. You still seem to be making an unnecessary connection between “the option isn't well supported enough to be on the ballot” and

Re: Discussion: Possible GR: Enhance requirements for General Resolutions

2008-12-29 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Tue, 30 Dec 2008, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > Hi, > > I have felt for some time that the low requirement for seconds on General > Resolutions is something that should be fixed. We are over 1000 > Developers, if you can't find more than 5 people supporting your idea, > its most probably not worth it