Re: Discussion: Possible GR: Enhance requirements for General Resolutions

2009-01-07 Thread MJ Ray
Ron wrote: [...Wouter Verhelst's counts...] > Those results are not surprising, and if anything make it clear we > can easily get more seconds for notable issues than is currently > required. How many more is debatable, but this isn't very good > evidence for your assertion that 30 people is a "v

Re: Possible GR: pre-proposal participation by DDs [strawpoll]

2009-01-07 Thread MJ Ray
Josselin Mouette wrote: [...] > WTF are you trying to prove? “Send me email otherwise that means I’m > right!” No, I'm attempting to disprove my belief because I don't see how to prove it. http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2009/01/msg00050.html Knowing for sure that I was wrong is as useful

Re: Possible GR: pre-proposal participation by DDs [strawpoll]

2009-01-07 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mercredi 07 janvier 2009 à 13:05 +, MJ Ray a écrit : > It's hard to prove that a group is ignoring something, but disproof is > simple: please could all DDs who watch pre-proposal discussions of > possible GRs please email mjr-possiblegr at debian.org. I'll count > with from -f possiblegr.mb

Re: Discussion: Possible GR: Enhance requirements for General Resolutions

2009-01-07 Thread MJ Ray
Cyril Brulebois wrote: > MJ Ray (07/01/2009): > > It's hard to prove that a group is ignoring something, but disproof is > > simple: please could all DDs reading this email mjr-possiblegr at > > debian.org. I'll count with from -f possiblegr.mbox | wc -l in a > > week. > > Even for people who mi

Possible GR: pre-proposal participation by DDs [strawpoll]

2009-01-07 Thread MJ Ray
I believe that most debian developers ignore discussions of possible GRs like the current one, until/unless they look like reaching the required number of seconds to trigger a vote. It's hard to prove that a group is ignoring something, but disproof is simple: please could all DDs who watch pre-pr

Re: Discussion: Possible GR: Enhance requirements for General Resolutions

2009-01-07 Thread Adeodato Simó
* MJ Ray [Wed, 07 Jan 2009 10:04:50 +]: > It's hard to prove that a group is ignoring something, but disproof is > simple: please could all DDs reading this email mjr-possiblegr at > debian.org. I'll count with from -f possiblegr.mbox | wc -l in a week. o/` I am speechless, speechless T

Re: Discussion: Possible GR: Enhance requirements for General Resolutions

2009-01-07 Thread Cyril Brulebois
MJ Ray (07/01/2009): > Previously, I noted that fewer than 80 people participated in even the > hotly disputed lenny blobs GR discussion. That suggests to me that > lots of DDs aren't participating until the vote. > > It's hard to prove that a group is ignoring something, but disproof is > simpl

Re: Discussion: Possible GR: Enhance requirements for General Resolutions

2009-01-07 Thread MJ Ray
Stephen Gran wrote: > This one time, at band camp, MJ Ray said: > > Many DDs ignore -project and even most stuff on -vote > > unless/until it looks likely to get enough seconds, don't they? > > You're the one making the assertion, I think the onus is on you to prove > it. Previously, I noted that