Re: Draft vote on constitutional issues

2009-05-13 Thread Giacomo A. Catenazzi
Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: On Tue, 2009-05-12 at 17:06 +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: I think this is the core of the disagreement. I do not call it a temporary override of a foundation document; I call it a temporary practical consensus between "the needs of our users" and "the needs of the free

Re: Draft vote on constitutional issues

2009-05-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, May 12 2009, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 06:59:41PM +0100, Matthew Johnson wrote: >> On Sun May 10 18:34, Luk Claes wrote: >> > > 3. Option X overrides a foundation document, possibly temporarily (?) >> > >> > Not possible. You can only override a decision and amendin

Re: PGP keys: advice from keyring maintainers ?

2009-05-13 Thread Frank Küster
Charles Plessy wrote: > Dear all, > > I am getting quite confused after reading the many blog announcements about > changing PGP keys for security reasons. I don't read blogs. So I'm confused by people asking here and on -private about something that sounds as if one should be kind of aware of

Re: PGP keys: advice from keyring maintainers ?

2009-05-13 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Frank Küster (13/05/2009): > I don't read blogs. So I'm confused by people asking here and on > -private about something that sounds as if one should be kind of aware > of it... > > How can I find out if my key is v3 or v4? From keycheck.sh: | echo "Let's test if its a version 4 or greater key"

Re: PGP keys: advice from keyring maintainers ?

2009-05-13 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Cyril Brulebois (13/05/2009): > From keycheck.sh: > | echo "Let's test if its a version 4 or greater key" > | VERSION=$(gpg ${GPGOPTS} --with-colons --with-fingerprint --list-keys > 0x$KEYID | awk -F : '$1 == "fpr" {print length($10)}') Bleh, missed the actually interesting lines: | if [ $VERSIO

Re: Draft vote on constitutional issues

2009-05-13 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
On Tue, 2009-05-12 at 20:09 +0200, Luk Claes wrote: > > Either Social Contract section one and the DFSG prohibit the > > distribution of a non-free blob in the release, or they do not. > > This 'in the release' is bogus, I guess you mean in 'main'? Debian is only free software. Non-free is distr

Re: Draft vote on constitutional issues

2009-05-13 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
On Wed, 2009-05-13 at 10:53 +0200, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote: > > DFSG is a guideline and a target: we must no go far as the nearest point > we reached, but it still a guideline. > Consider: > - we never had a full DFSG Debian (also when DFSG was written) > - we have "RC" also on stable releases.

Re: Draft vote on constitutional issues

2009-05-13 Thread Philipp Kern
On 2009-05-13, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: >> DFSG is a guideline and a target: we must no go far as the nearest point >> we reached, but it still a guideline. >> Consider: >> - we never had a full DFSG Debian (also when DFSG was written) >> - we have "RC" also on stable releases. What should we do

Re: Draft vote on constitutional issues

2009-05-13 Thread Luk Claes
Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > On Tue, 2009-05-12 at 20:09 +0200, Luk Claes wrote: >>> Either Social Contract section one and the DFSG prohibit the >>> distribution of a non-free blob in the release, or they do not. >> This 'in the release' is bogus, I guess you mean in 'main'? > > Debian is only fr