Re: [OT] aggressiveness on our mailing lists.

2009-07-25 Thread MJ Ray
Manoj Srivastava sriva...@debian.org wrote: On Fri, Jul 24 2009, MJ Ray wrote: [...] the project should remain polite even in the face of really daft ideas (like the 3017th report that our website CSS is invalid just because the W3C validator is incomplete). Calling a daft idea

Re: [OT] aggressiveness on our mailing lists.

2009-07-25 Thread Ben Finney
MJ Ray m...@phonecoop.coop writes: Manoj Srivastava sriva...@debian.org wrote: Calling a daft idea silly is being rude now? Not necessarily (it depends how one phrases it), but being rude is one way of being not overly genteel (as the earlier message advocated). I feel one

Re: [OT] aggressiveness on our mailing lists.

2009-07-25 Thread Lars Wirzenius
la, 2009-07-25 kello 23:12 +1000, Ben Finney kirjoitti: If what remains is an attack upon an *idea*, so be it; ideas don't have feelings and are not automatically deserving of respect or politeness. “This is a silly idea” attacks no-one and is impolite to no-one. Let those who support the idea

Re: [OT] aggressiveness on our mailing lists.

2009-07-25 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sat, Jul 25 2009, Lars Wirzenius wrote: For example, in the specific case under discussion, the criticism might have been expressed something like this instead: I think this is a bad idea. It creates extra work for developers You are making the assumption that

Re: US embargo restrictions for Debian?

2009-07-25 Thread Steve Langasek
Hello, On Fri, Jul 03, 2009 at 01:00:52PM +0200, Ola Sandbu wrote: I see that Debian is a US registered organization, and then have to obey the laws for that country. The reason for my question is because I could not find any information related to United States embargo regulations at the

Re: Re-thinking Debian membership - take #1: inactivity

2009-07-25 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 05:34:19PM +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: Steve Langasek wrote: On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 11:52:11PM +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: But I know that there are/will be DDs which do infrastructure stuff only, and rarely upload packages. Such DDs should never be regarded as

Re: [OT] aggressiveness on our mailing lists.

2009-07-25 Thread Lars Wirzenius
la, 2009-07-25 kello 09:16 -0500, Manoj Srivastava kirjoitti: You are making the assumption that the authors reaction to Bad is less negative than the reaction to Silly. While this is subjective, I do not think it is without contention: My hasty re-wording has now given the wrong

Re: Re-thinking Debian membership - take #1: inactivity

2009-07-25 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
Steve Langasek wrote: The infrastructure is essential for our distribution, same for documentations an translations. I can't see a reason why such people should not be able to become DDs. Because it implies a professional priest caste separate from the developers who will inevitably drift

Re: Re-thinking Debian membership - take #1: inactivity

2009-07-25 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Bernd Zeimetz be...@bzed.de (26/07/2009): See above. Also: There're a lot of teams where outsiders can help and earn trust without being able to break things. Do you mean people like Simon Paillard? With contributions in l10n, i18n, www, and mirror domains? If you didn't, I (at the very least)

Re: Re-thinking Debian membership - take #1: inactivity

2009-07-25 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
Cyril Brulebois wrote: Bernd Zeimetz be...@bzed.de (26/07/2009): See above. Also: There're a lot of teams where outsiders can help and earn trust without being able to break things. Do you mean people like Simon Paillard? With contributions in l10n, i18n, www, and mirror domains? Yes. --