Re: upstart and the LSB (was: On cadence and collaboration)

2009-08-07 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org [2009.08.07.0012 +0200]: Sure, it has compatibility addons, but primarily it conflicts with sysvinit and encourages vendors to provide upstart control files for packages, instead of init.d scripts. Why in the world does it matter whether it's a

Re: On cadence and collaboration

2009-08-07 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
Michael Bienia wrote: I'm sorry about this but the amount of bugs flowing in into Ubuntu is bigger that can be handled by the available man power, being it developer or community members. How does Ubuntu want to do a proper (commercial) support for their packages if they don't even have the

Re: On cadence and collaboration

2009-08-07 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
Luk Claes wrote: If the freeze date is well known in advance the question becomes moot unless some maintainer wants to work against the freeze AFAICS. Having a known freeze date is meant to help everyone to be able to plan better and refrain from doing high impact changes right before the

Re: On cadence and collaboration

2009-08-07 Thread Julien Cristau
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 10:38:56 +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: Michael Bienia wrote: I'm sorry about this but the amount of bugs flowing in into Ubuntu is bigger that can be handled by the available man power, being it developer or community members. How does Ubuntu want to do a proper

Re: On cadence and collaboration

2009-08-07 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
Cyril Brulebois wrote: Raphael Geissert geiss...@debian.org (05/08/2009): Like some people said during Debconf: freezing in December doesn't necessarily mean freezing the first day or even the first week of December; the 31 is still December, which means there are 30 days to decide many

Re: On cadence and collaboration

2009-08-07 Thread Michael Banck
On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 10:55:36AM +0200, Julien Cristau wrote: On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 10:38:56 +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: How does Ubuntu want to do a proper (commercial) support for their packages if they don't even have the time/manpower to take care of their bugs? Taking care

Debian on Atom 330 Question

2009-08-07 Thread Rein Tendonsie
Beste, Momenteel heb ik een dedicated server genomen ergens en men zegt er dat ze geen Debian willen instaleren omdat deze niet zou werken omwillen van de processor. Klopt het dat Debian niet werkt onder: Intel Atom Dual core 330

Re: On cadence and collaboration

2009-08-07 Thread Luk Claes
Bernd Zeimetz wrote: Luk Claes wrote: If the freeze date is well known in advance the question becomes moot unless some maintainer wants to work against the freeze AFAICS. Having a known freeze date is meant to help everyone to be able to plan better and refrain from doing high impact

Re: On cadence and collaboration

2009-08-07 Thread Luk Claes
Mark Shuttleworth wrote: Cyril Brulebois wrote: Raphael Geissert geiss...@debian.org (05/08/2009): Like some people said during Debconf: freezing in December doesn't necessarily mean freezing the first day or even the first week of December; the 31 is still December, which means there are

Re: On cadence and collaboration

2009-08-07 Thread Sandro Tosi
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 18:37, Luk Claesl...@debian.org wrote: It was and still is not meant as a decision, but as a proposal though the announcement said otherwise due to miscommunication from my side which I cannot undo unfortunately. I'm not convinced that we will be able to freeze in

Re: On cadence and collaboration

2009-08-07 Thread Sandro Tosi
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 00:30, Michael Bieniamich...@bienia.de wrote: On 2009-08-06 16:25:47 +0200, Matthias Andree wrote: [I'm Ubuntu developer (MOTU to be more specific), so I might be biased] I certainly won't excuse some things that are not happening, I know that Ubuntu needs to improve

Re: Debian on Atom 330 Question

2009-08-07 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Rein Tendonsie tendon...@tendonsie.be writes: Beste,     Momenteel heb ik een dedicated server genomen ergens en men zegt er dat ze geen Debian willen instaleren omdat deze niet zou werken omwillen van de processor.   Klopt het dat Debian niet werkt onder: Intel Atom Dual core 330