Squeeze, firmware and installation

2010-05-05 Thread Kurt Roeckx
Hi, It seems the kernel team has moved alot of firmware to non-free, which means that more people will need to use pieces from non-free to be able to use their computer. So I was wondering what the state is of everything, and what issues people will run into, specially when installing. I'm also

Re: Squeeze, firmware and installation

2010-05-05 Thread Arto Jantunen
Kurt Roeckx k...@roeckx.be writes: It seems the kernel team has moved alot of firmware to non-free, which means that more people will need to use pieces from non-free to be able to use their computer. So I was wondering what the state is of everything, and what issues people will run into,

Re: Squeeze, firmware and installation

2010-05-05 Thread Peter Palfrader
On Wed, 05 May 2010, Arto Jantunen wrote: Kurt Roeckx k...@roeckx.be writes: It seems the kernel team has moved alot of firmware to non-free, which means that more people will need to use pieces from non-free to be able to use their computer. So I was wondering what the state is of

Re: Squeeze, firmware and installation

2010-05-05 Thread Arto Jantunen
Peter Palfrader wea...@debian.org writes: On Wed, 05 May 2010, Arto Jantunen wrote: Seriously speaking, to me it seems very clear that non-free firmware will not be present on official installer images. Then again, the installer team has made it very easy to inject firmware during

Re: Squeeze, firmware and installation

2010-05-05 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 09:57:46PM +0300, Arto Jantunen wrote: Hmm. Is the release already so close that it's time to have this flamewar again? Shouldn't we wait a month or two for maximal effect? I think the earlier we have this discussion the better. Seriously speaking, to me it seems

Re: Squeeze, firmware and installation

2010-05-05 Thread Russ Allbery
Kurt Roeckx k...@roeckx.be writes: I've heard people complain about how the (lenny?) installer works, and I didn't have the need to install on a machine that requires firmware yet myself. I think the issues I've heard were: - You need 2 installation media. Which also makes an unattended

Re: Squeeze, firmware and installation

2010-05-05 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
On 05/05/2010 09:24 PM, Arto Jantunen wrote: I understood that current Debian Installer takes firmware during install via usb sticks, floppies, etc. If this is not the case, I have understood incorrectly and take back my comment on it being made easy. I am fairly sure that the feature has

Re: Squeeze, firmware and installation

2010-05-05 Thread Noah Meyerhans
On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 11:26:55PM +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: This is still an annoying thing to handle. If you install machines at different locations regulary, this firmware crap is nothing but a pita. I can't see a reason why we should not be able to ship cd-images in non-free. If debian

Re: Squeeze, firmware and installation

2010-05-05 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mercredi 05 mai 2010 à 23:26 +0200, Bernd Zeimetz a écrit : This is still an annoying thing to handle. If you install machines at different locations regulary, this firmware crap is nothing but a pita. I can't see a reason why we should not be able to ship cd-images in non-free. Indeed,

Re: Squeeze, firmware and installation

2010-05-05 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 12:29 AM, Kurt Roeckx k...@roeckx.be wrote: So I was wondering what the state is of everything, and what issues people will run into, specially when installing. The lenny installer is fine, I haven't tested the squeeze installer yet though. I'm also wondering what