Re: DEP-5: general file syntax

2010-08-21 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sat, Aug 21 2010, Russ Allbery wrote: > Ben Finney writes: >> Lars Wirzenius writes: > >>> * Have one copyright statement per Copyright field, and have multiple >>> instances of the field. > >> This is my preference, and what I've been doing in my packages. > > Unfortunately, this creates rea

Re: DEP-5: Structure for multiple copyright statements

2010-08-21 Thread Ben Finney
Lars Wirzenius writes: > On su, 2010-08-22 at 08:00 +1000, Ben Finney wrote: > > Could we take advantage of the natural “©” marker to indicate each > > copyright statement? > > That's an interesting idea, but would people in general find it easy or > difficult to write that character? (I'd have t

Re: DEP-5: Structure for multiple copyright statements (was: DEP-5: general file syntax)

2010-08-21 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 11:36:54AM +1200, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > On su, 2010-08-22 at 08:00 +1000, Ben Finney wrote: > > Could we take advantage of the natural “©” marker to indicate each > > copyright statement? > That's an interesting idea, but would people in general find it easy or > difficul

Re: DEP-5: Structure for multiple copyright statements

2010-08-21 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On la, 2010-08-21 at 16:41 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > Ideally, I'd like to just copy and paste upstream's copyright statements > into debian/copyright and maybe do some compaction, which leads me to > prefer a free-form field. Do we think that people are going to want to > parse and extract indi

Re: DEP-5: Structure for multiple copyright statements (was: DEP-5: general file syntax)

2010-08-21 Thread Roger Leigh
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 11:36:54AM +1200, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > On su, 2010-08-22 at 08:00 +1000, Ben Finney wrote: > > Could we take advantage of the natural “©” marker to indicate each > > copyright statement? > > That's an interesting idea, but would people in general find it easy or > diffic

Re: DEP-5: Structure for multiple copyright statements

2010-08-21 Thread Russ Allbery
Lars Wirzenius writes: > On su, 2010-08-22 at 08:00 +1000, Ben Finney wrote: >> Could we take advantage of the natural “©” marker to indicate each >> copyright statement? > That's an interesting idea, but would people in general find it easy or > difficult to write that character? (I'd have to c

Re: DEP-5: Structure for multiple copyright statements (was: DEP-5: general file syntax)

2010-08-21 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On su, 2010-08-22 at 08:00 +1000, Ben Finney wrote: > Could we take advantage of the natural “©” marker to indicate each > copyright statement? That's an interesting idea, but would people in general find it easy or difficult to write that character? (I'd have to copy-paste it, for instance, since

DEP-5: Structure for multiple copyright statements (was: DEP-5: general file syntax)

2010-08-21 Thread Ben Finney
Russ Allbery writes: > Ben Finney writes: > > Lars Wirzenius writes: > > >> * Have one copyright statement per Copyright field, and have multiple > >> instances of the field. > > > This is my preference, and what I've been doing in my packages. > > Unfortunately, this creates real challenges fo

Re: DEP-5: general file syntax

2010-08-21 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On la, 2010-08-21 at 08:32 -0400, Stephen Leake wrote: > Lars Wirzenius writes: > > > Files has a list > > of values (currently comma-separated, but I propose to make it > > white-space separated), > > File names can have spaces. Not common, but possible. I guess such file > names would need to

Re: Upstream guide and front desk

2010-08-21 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On la, 2010-08-21 at 15:47 +0300, George Danchev wrote: > I just wonder what this list would be meant to serves which can't be deemed > suitable for -mentors. Many upstreams (regardless they have any preliminary > packages of their software or not) already use -mentors for entering Debian > one

Re: DEP-5: general file syntax

2010-08-21 Thread Russ Allbery
Ben Finney writes: > Lars Wirzenius writes: >> * Have one copyright statement per Copyright field, and have multiple >> instances of the field. > This is my preference, and what I've been doing in my packages. Unfortunately, this creates real challenges for parsers. I've written a few RFC 532

Re: Upstream guide and front desk

2010-08-21 Thread Julien Cristau
On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 15:47:46 +0300, George Danchev wrote: > I just wonder what this list would be meant to serves which can't be deemed > suitable for -mentors. Many upstreams (regardless they have any preliminary > packages of their software or not) already use -mentors for entering Debian

Re: DEP-5: general file syntax

2010-08-21 Thread Ben Finney
Lars Wirzenius writes: > On la, 2010-08-21 at 02:15 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > > What happens when the copyright statement is longer than a line? […] > Good point. I see at least thw following possible solutions: […] > * Have one copyright statement per Copyright field, and have multiple > in

Re: Upstream guide and front desk

2010-08-21 Thread George Danchev
Lars Wirzenius writes: > On pe, 2010-08-20 at 14:55 +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > > Now, I've no idea if the above would be appropriate for the upstream > > front desk or not. I leave it up to you to decide whether it's worth > > trying or not. > > I think a debian-upstre...@lists.debian.org

Re: DEP-5: general file syntax

2010-08-21 Thread Stephen Leake
Lars Wirzenius writes: > Files has a list > of values (currently comma-separated, but I propose to make it > white-space separated), File names can have spaces. Not common, but possible. I guess such file names would need to be quoted? -- -- Stephe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-projec

Re: DEP-5: general file syntax

2010-08-21 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On la, 2010-08-21 at 02:15 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > What happens when the copyright statement is longer than a line? I have a > bunch of those, such as: Good point. I see at least thw following possible solutions: * Keep one line per copyright statement, but make the lines be long. (This is

Re: DEP-5: general file syntax

2010-08-21 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On la, 2010-08-21 at 01:58 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > > How would that tie in with updating it via the normal policy process? I > > thought we'd keep the file in the debian-policy package for future > > updates. > > I was assuming that's how we'd get to a 1.1 version. I haven't read DEP-0 > rec

Re: DEP-5: general file syntax

2010-08-21 Thread Russ Allbery
Lars Wirzenius writes: > While wording this, I realized that we have more cases: Files has a list > of values (currently comma-separated, but I propose to make it > white-space separated), and Copyright and maybe other fields have a list > of values one per line. I took the liberty of taking this

Re: DEP-5: general file syntax

2010-08-21 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On la, 2010-08-21 at 20:32 +1200, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > I'm OK with saying that multiline fields should use the Description > markup, especially noting Charles's point about only using the long > description part, when appropriate. This simplifies things quite a lot. > I'll word a concrete patch

Re: DEP-5: general file syntax

2010-08-21 Thread Russ Allbery
Lars Wirzenius writes: > On pe, 2010-08-20 at 17:05 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: >> I think a better approach would be to, once the document has settled >> down, publish it with a version number and give that version of the >> document a permanent URL. So, for instance, we would publish DEP-5 1.0

Re: DEP-5: general file syntax

2010-08-21 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On pe, 2010-08-20 at 17:05 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > I think a better approach would be to, once the document has settled down, > publish it with a version number and give that version of the document a > permanent URL. So, for instance, we would publish DEP-5 1.0 and give it a > URL something

Re: [DEP5] [patch] Renaming the ‘Maintainer ’ field ‘Contact’

2010-08-21 Thread Russ Allbery
Lars Wirzenius writes: > On pe, 2010-08-20 at 16:52 -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: >> The fact that we're both expressing this in terms of "preference" >> means, I think, both that this doesn't meet Lars's "wave of opposition" >> standard and that we're not definitely in bikeshed territory. :) I >

Re: [DEP5] [patch] Renaming the ‘Maintainer’ field ‘Contact’

2010-08-21 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On pe, 2010-08-20 at 16:52 -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > The fact that we're both expressing this in terms of "preference" means, I > think, both that this doesn't meet Lars's "wave of opposition" standard and > that we're not definitely in bikeshed territory. :) I support Lars in > deciding this