Success of iPhone apps (was: Re: What is annoying in the flattr buttons?)

2010-11-11 Thread Julien BLACHE
Charles Plessy ple...@debian.org wrote: And in conclusion, I would like to remind the extraordinary success of non-free software on the iPhone, which I think can be explained by the easiness of micropayement through the Apple webstore. It's clearly not the only reason, and it's not even the

Re: Success of iPhone apps (was: Re: What is annoying in the flattr buttons?)

2010-11-11 Thread Steffen Möller
Hello, Julien in reply to Charles Plessy ple...@debian.org wrote: And in conclusion, I would like to remind the extraordinary success of non-free software on the iPhone, which I think can be explained by the easiness of micropayement through the Apple webstore. It's clearly not the

Please draft a policy for planet.debian.org

2010-11-11 Thread Martin Zobel-Helas
[ Please note that this is my very personal opinion and does not neccesarily need to cover the opinion of any of the teams I am in. ] Dear planet folks, I have been made aware that people use Debian resources for personal financial gain using the planet.d.o syndication platform, by for instance

Re: Please draft a policy for planet.debian.org

2010-11-11 Thread Alexander Reichle-Schmehl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi! Am 11.11.2010 10:56, schrieb Martin Zobel-Helas: [..] Therefor I ask you, the maintainers of planet.d.o, to please draft a policy or set of guidelines that will prevent such abuse. Violation of this policy should probably be grounds for

Re: Please draft a policy for planet.debian.org

2010-11-11 Thread Martin Wuertele
Hi! * Martin Zobel-Helas zo...@debian.org [2010-11-11 10:56]: I have been made aware that people use Debian resources for personal financial gain using the planet.d.o syndication platform, by for instance including 'flattr' links and images in the text present on planet. Furthermore

Re: What is annoying in the flattr buttons?

2010-11-11 Thread Piotr Ożarowski
[Charles Plessy, 2010-11-11] I would like to underline that the posts on Planet that contain a Flatter button tend to be more about free software than the others in general. I am much more annoyed by family albums for instance, and large

Re: Success of iPhone apps (was: Re: What is annoying in the flattr buttons?)

2010-11-11 Thread Charles Plessy
And in conclusion, I would like to remind the extraordinary success of non-free software on the iPhone, which I think can be explained by the easiness of micropayement through the Apple webstore. You should have told about the high level of integration of the whole platform,

Re: Please draft a policy for planet.debian.org

2010-11-11 Thread Tshepang Lekhonkhobe
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 11:56, Martin Zobel-Helas zo...@debian.org wrote: [ Please note that this is my very personal opinion and does not neccesarily need to cover the opinion of any of the teams I am in. ] Dear planet folks, I have been made aware that people use Debian resources for

Re: commercial spam on planet

2010-11-11 Thread Klistvud
Dne, 11. 11. 2010 01:23:51 je Stefano Zacchiroli napisal(a): general unhappiness (at least as it appears from this list, which is not necessarily representative of all developers, users, etc., obviously). I'll take the above statement as an invitation to add my 2¢. (As merely a user of

Re: Please draft a policy for planet.debian.org

2010-11-11 Thread Peter Palfrader
On Thu, 11 Nov 2010, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote: while on that topic, maybe each package on package.qa.d.o should have a flattr button ;-) And one for the packages.d.o guys. And one for the QA guys. And one for DSA. And one for the mirror people. And the ftp-team. And the buildd and

Re: What is annoying in the flattr buttons?

2010-11-11 Thread Tshepang Lekhonkhobe
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 02:44, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote: Michael Gilbert michael.s.gilb...@gmail.com writes: Raphael has every right to attempt to pursue his field of endeavor in any tolerant/respectful manner he chooses. ...using his own property.  But not using Debian project

Re: What is annoying in the flattr buttons?

2010-11-11 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote: On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 02:44, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote: Michael Gilbert michael.s.gilb...@gmail.com writes: Raphael has every right to attempt to pursue his field of endeavor in any tolerant/respectful manner he chooses. ...using his own property. But

Re: Please draft a policy for planet.debian.org

2010-11-11 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On to, 2010-11-11 at 14:01 +0200, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote: -1 for flattr; it's a great way to contribute a few cents; and these people are great contributors to Debian anyways, so why don't they get rewarded? while on that topic, maybe each package on package.qa.d.o should have a flattr

Re: What is annoying in the flattr buttons?

2010-11-11 Thread Kevin Mark
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 01:22:54PM +0100, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote: On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 02:44, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote: Michael Gilbert michael.s.gilb...@gmail.com writes: Raphael has every right to attempt to pursue his field of endeavor in

Re: What is annoying in the flattr buttons?

2010-11-11 Thread Mike Hommey
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 07:35:03AM -0500, Kevin Mark wrote: On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 01:22:54PM +0100, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote: On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 02:44, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote: Michael Gilbert michael.s.gilb...@gmail.com writes:

Re: What is annoying in the flattr buttons?

2010-11-11 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Kevin Mark wrote: On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 01:22:54PM +0100, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: For a simple reason, the DMUP [0]; which every user of Debian resources must follow. It says (in its introduction, point 1). * Don't use Debian Facilities for private financial gain (…) Debian

Re: What is annoying in the flattr buttons?

2010-11-11 Thread Andreas Tille
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 01:38:25PM +0100, Mike Hommey wrote: Debian Facilities - debian webserver -Planet- blog posts-flattr links ..- debian email server-email - email signature that links to: ...their personal webpage

Re: Please draft a policy for planet.debian.org

2010-11-11 Thread John Goerzen
On 11/11/2010 06:01 AM, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote: Furthermore there are reports of webbugs in some feeds syndicated on planet, or things that systematically leak browsing behaviour to third parties by including images directly from these sides. I don't know much about this one, so no

Re: What is annoying in the flattr buttons?

2010-11-11 Thread Tshepang Lekhonkhobe
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 14:22, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud did...@raboud.com wrote: Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote: On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 02:44, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote: Michael Gilbert michael.s.gilb...@gmail.com writes: Raphael has every right to attempt to pursue his field of endeavor in

Re: Please draft a policy for planet.debian.org

2010-11-11 Thread Tshepang Lekhonkhobe
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 14:11, Peter Palfrader wea...@debian.org wrote: On Thu, 11 Nov 2010, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote: while on that topic, maybe each package on package.qa.d.o should have a flattr button ;-) And one for the packages.d.o guys.  And one for the QA guys.  And one for DSA.  

Re: Please draft a policy for planet.debian.org

2010-11-11 Thread Tshepang Lekhonkhobe
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 14:27, Lars Wirzenius l...@liw.fi wrote: On to, 2010-11-11 at 14:01 +0200, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote: -1 for flattr; it's a great way to contribute a few cents; and these people are great contributors to Debian anyways, so why don't they get rewarded? while on that

Re: Please draft a policy for planet.debian.org

2010-11-11 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 12:27:40PM +, Lars Wirzenius wrote: There's more source conflict: if there's a micropayment button on packages.debian.org, how will the money be divided between members of a packaging team? People who do NMUs? Should people who report particularly useful bugs be

Re: Please draft a policy for planet.debian.org

2010-11-11 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 10:56:23AM +0100, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote: Therefor I ask you, the maintainers of planet.d.o, to please draft a policy or set of guidelines that will prevent such abuse. I second this request, although my request does not anticipate that they *are* abuses :). For me,

Re: Please draft a policy for planet.debian.org

2010-11-11 Thread Gerfried Fuchs
* Tshepang Lekhonkhobe tshep...@gmail.com [2010-11-11 16:14:37 CET]: On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 14:27, Lars Wirzenius l...@liw.fi wrote: There may be a way to collect money via Debian and not have conflicts. But on the whole I would prefer for us to not experiment and avoid this entirely.

Re: commercial spam on planet

2010-11-11 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Hi Holger, Holger Levsen hol...@layer-acht.org (08/11/2010): since a while, we see unsolicted commercial links and images on planet, mostly about flattr. […] How much spam do you find tolerable? Would it be ok if I sell advertisment space on my blog and syndicate this to planet? You

Re: commercial spam on planet

2010-11-11 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2010-11-11, Cyril Brulebois k...@debian.org wrote: at the bottom of my posts, rather the opportunity to see whether people liked getting status updates about the packages I maintain, or stuff I do in general.) it is because I like reading what people do in and outside debian that I read

Re: No general political content on Planet

2010-11-11 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Ben Finney dijo [Fri, Nov 05, 2010 at 11:06:26AM +1100]: (...) Hopefully the suggestion to split non-Debian topics out to a separate feed (or, equivalently, to provide a Debian-topics-only feed which is the only one provided on Planet Debian) will be followed more often. Many of us don't

Re: What is annoying in the flattr buttons?

2010-11-11 Thread Russ Allbery
Tshepang Lekhonkhobe tshep...@gmail.com writes: Didier 'OdyX' Raboud did...@raboud.com wrote: For a simple reason, the DMUP [0]; which every user of Debian resources must follow. It says (in its introduction, point 1).  * Don't use Debian Facilities for private financial gain I'm sure this

Re: commercial spam on planet

2010-11-11 Thread Russ Allbery
Cyril Brulebois k...@debian.org writes: (I guess I didn't have “financial gain” in mind when I added this link at the bottom of my posts, rather the opportunity to see whether people liked getting status updates about the packages I maintain, or stuff I do in general.) Not that I have time

Re: Please draft a policy for planet.debian.org

2010-11-11 Thread Russ Allbery
John Goerzen jgoer...@complete.org writes: So that essentially means no inline images on blogs. Because any img tag that appears in a feed on planet -- regardless of if it is a 1x1 transparent image or a 500x300 photo of something at Debconf -- will, let's face it, reveal certain data to the

Re: What is annoying in the flattr buttons?

2010-11-11 Thread Tshepang Lekhonkhobe
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 19:24, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote: Tshepang Lekhonkhobe tshep...@gmail.com writes: Didier 'OdyX' Raboud did...@raboud.com wrote: For a simple reason, the DMUP [0]; which every user of Debian resources must follow. It says (in its introduction, point 1).  *

Re: No general political content on Planet

2010-11-11 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2010-11-11, Gunnar Wolf gw...@gwolf.org wrote: Yes, please subscribe me to that group. For me, the planet is a window to the lives of the people that form up this social group. We share a technical affinity, so we tend to write technical topics, but we write about our political views - As

Re: Please draft a policy for planet.debian.org

2010-11-11 Thread Joerg Jaspert
I have been made aware that people use Debian resources for personal financial gain using the planet.d.o syndication platform, by for instance including 'flattr' links and images in the text present on planet. Furthermore there are reports of webbugs in some feeds syndicated on planet, or

Re: Please draft a policy for planet.debian.org

2010-11-11 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, (I'm hert...@d.o and not b...@d.o) On Thu, 11 Nov 2010, Joerg Jaspert wrote: What Can I Post On Planet? [...] - Be very careful including material from external sites (ie, not your own blog/domain). The occasional picture from elsewhere is fine, but anything that can be (or is)

Re: What is annoying in the flattr buttons?

2010-11-11 Thread Amaya
Raphael Hertzog wrote: It's going to be a condorcet-based poll where you have to rank the following statements: I'm annoyed by Flattr buttons because * The picture catches the attention too much in a post which contains only text. * The picture allows Flattr to gather statistics about

Re: Please draft a policy for planet.debian.org

2010-11-11 Thread Kevin Mark
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 05:03:38PM +0100, Gerfried Fuchs wrote: * Tshepang Lekhonkhobe tshep...@gmail.com [2010-11-11 16:14:37 CET]: snippage What one does on their own blog is their own thing, what one pushes explicitly to planet.debian is a different area. Just my thoughts, Rhonda