Re: KickStarter for Debian packages - crowdfunding/donations for development

2013-06-14 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 12:25:26AM -0400, Joey Hess a écrit : > Charles Plessy wrote: > > In the case of Debian, I share with others the concern of having the > > packages > > as a source of revenue > > How about making fixed bugs a source of revenue? I do not see how to fit this in the PaySwarm

Re: KickStarter for Debian packages - crowdfunding/donations for development

2013-06-14 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Sat, 2013-06-15 at 00:25 -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > Charles Plessy wrote: > > In the case of Debian, I share with others the concern of having the > > packages > > as a source of revenue > > How about making fixed bugs a source of revenue? http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/1995-11-13/ Ben. --

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Re: KickStarter for Debian packages - crowdfunding/donations for development

2013-06-14 Thread Joey Hess
Charles Plessy wrote: > In the case of Debian, I share with others the concern of having the packages > as a source of revenue How about making fixed bugs a source of revenue? -- see shy jo signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: KickStarter for Debian packages - crowdfunding/donations for development

2013-06-14 Thread Russ Allbery
Martin Owens writes: > I feel much better about paying for work to be done than tipping, it > feels more right. Although it requires larger pools of money and a more > forthright approach deciding where this resource should be plowed in > order to curate the larger design. Debian hasn't been much

Re: KickStarter for Debian packages - crowdfunding/donations for development

2013-06-14 Thread Martin Owens
On Fri, 2013-06-14 at 07:20 -0400, Paul Tagliamonte wrote: > Payment systems in general tend to lead to "paybullying", which is > something I'd really (really) like to avoid. I've always loved how > un-corporate the Debian community is. There are two reasons money gets given to people. a. Money i

Re: KickStarter for Debian packages - crowdfunding/donations for development

2013-06-14 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 04:42:54PM -0400, Manu Sporny a écrit : > > What if we did the following: > > 1. If information exists in the package to distribute the donation >automatically (these 35 people should get exactly these >percentages), then we do that. > 2. If the package lists the u

Re: KickStarter for Debian packages - crowdfunding/donations for development

2013-06-14 Thread Nikolaus Rath
Paul Wise writes: > I am very concerned about motivations of Debian project volunteers > being distorted by money so I would suggest only allowing donations to > Debian as a whole or directly to individual upstream projects. I agree. It would add a whole new dimension to NMU'ing, orphaning, adopt

Re: KickStarter for Debian packages - crowdfunding/donations for development

2013-06-14 Thread David Kalnischkies
On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 4:44 PM, Arno Töll wrote: > On 14.06.2013 15:52, David Kalnischkies wrote: >> She/he is doing a lot of work for sure, but I appreciate the software, not >> that it is packaged with this. That I can get this software easily while >> using Debian is something the whole projec

Re: KickStarter for Debian packages - crowdfunding/donations for development

2013-06-14 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Manu Sporny (2013-06-14 22:57:46) > On 06/14/2013 05:36 AM, Martin Owens wrote: > > On Thu, 2013-06-13 at 23:03 -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > >> We have never needed it > > > > Such a mechanism would never be needed if the only people Debian > > should serve are technical users who are able

Re: KickStarter for Debian packages - crowdfunding/donations for development

2013-06-14 Thread Manu Sporny
On 06/14/2013 09:52 AM, David Kalnischkies wrote: > On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 11:50 PM, Manu Sporny > wrote: >> A deeper discussion of the social concerns and solutions with >> >> http://lists.debian.org/deity/2013/06/msg00054.html > > I thought this was pretty shallow, but anyway: Well, I meant

Re: KickStarter for Debian packages - crowdfunding/donations for development

2013-06-14 Thread Paul Tagliamonte
On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 05:14:27PM -0400, Manu Sporny wrote: > I agree, which is why the payment details live completely outside the > Debian systems. The only thing you'd need to initiate payment is an > e-mail address, or a PaySwarm financial account address, which looks > like this: > > https:/

Re: KickStarter for Debian packages - crowdfunding/donations for development

2013-06-14 Thread Manu Sporny
On 06/14/2013 07:20 AM, Paul Tagliamonte wrote: > In particular, I have concerns on how people *collect* this money. > In the case of a package maintainer, we don't require we know who > they are, nor their legal name, or even where the live. Just an > active, working email and good changes that we

Re: KickStarter for Debian packages - crowdfunding/donations for development

2013-06-14 Thread Manu Sporny
On 06/14/2013 05:36 AM, Martin Owens wrote: > On Thu, 2013-06-13 at 23:03 -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote: >> We have never needed it > > Such a mechanism would never be needed if the only people Debian > should serve are technical users who are able to involve themselves > in the project when they need

Re: KickStarter for Debian packages - crowdfunding/donations for development

2013-06-14 Thread Manu Sporny
On 06/13/2013 10:33 PM, Paul Wise wrote: > We already have means of donating to Debian. Making that more > accessible is on the todo and probably your work could help out > here. > > http://www.debian.org/donations > http://lists.debian.org/debian-www/2013/05/msg00025.html Great, would love to

Re: KickStarter for Debian packages - crowdfunding/donations for development

2013-06-14 Thread Scott Howard
On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 5:50 PM, Manu Sporny wrote: > I'd like to add a feature to apt that enables people to donate money or > crowdfund a particular project or developer. The inspiration for the > project comes from [1]Gittip. Another issue/can of worms: Someone started a thread on an ubuntu li

Re: KickStarter for Debian packages - crowdfunding/donations for development

2013-06-14 Thread Arno Töll
Hi, On 14.06.2013 15:52, David Kalnischkies wrote: > She/he is doing a lot of work for sure, but I appreciate the software, not > that it is packaged with this. That I can get this software easily while > using Debian is something the whole project is responsible for, not just > the person who hap

Re: KickStarter for Debian packages - crowdfunding/donations for development

2013-06-14 Thread David Kalnischkies
On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 11:50 PM, Manu Sporny wrote: > A deeper discussion of the social concerns and solutions with > integrating donations and fundraising into Debian packages can be found > here: > > http://lists.debian.org/deity/2013/06/msg00054.html I thought this was pretty shallow, but an

Re: next DPL helpers meeting on tuesday (2013-06-11)

2013-06-14 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 09/06/13 at 22:35 +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > Hi, > > The next DPL helpers meeting is next tuesday on #debian-dpl: > 2013-06-11 Tue 17:00 UTC (date -d @137097) > > The agenda is online[1]. If you are listed on one of the pending > actions, it would be great if you could describe its sta

Re: KickStarter for Debian packages - crowdfunding/donations for development

2013-06-14 Thread Paul Tagliamonte
On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 11:03:36PM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote: [..] > work. That's all fine. We have a mechanism in place to help people > donate money to Debian as a whole. That's also fine. But I'd very much > rather keep both things separate — Not instate mechanisms in Debian to > get funds to ind

Re: KickStarter for Debian packages - crowdfunding/donations for development

2013-06-14 Thread Martin Owens
On Thu, 2013-06-13 at 23:03 -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > We have never needed it Such a mechanism would never be needed if the only people Debian should serve are technical users who are able to involve themselves in the project when they need it. Excluding people with money is just another way of